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Post by FredFan7 on Jun 21, 2011 1:02:23 GMT -5
Bob Davidson ejections. While an umpire's warning flags go up when a batter leans TOWARD the plate on a HBP, I think I would have let Morgan take his base on this one. I've seen this at least twice this year. Maybe a point-of-emphasis by MLB not to let batters get a cheap base by leaning into a pitch?  mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16111651 |
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Post by mike on Jun 21, 2011 5:34:37 GMT -5
Ozzie will probably sit one game for kicking an opposing player's equipment. I love how Hawk Harrelson and Steve Stone are dead on sure that it was a foul ball. At worst it was inconclusive and Hoye was RIGHT on top of it. Fred, I think you are letting your pro-official bias cloud your judgment on this one. That ball very clearly landed in fair territory and then the spin caused it to roll back into foul territory and it was foul when the catcher picked it up but since it had not crossed either the first or third base bags in fair territory it is a foul ball |
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Post by nyasablue on Jun 21, 2011 6:11:34 GMT -5
Ozzie will probably sit one game for kicking an opposing player's equipment. I love how Hawk Harrelson and Steve Stone are dead on sure that it was a foul ball. At worst it was inconclusive and Hoye was RIGHT on top of it. Fred, I think you are letting your pro-official bias cloud your judgment on this one. That ball very clearly landed in fair territory and then the spin caused it to roll back into foul territory and it was foul when the catcher picked it up but since it had not crossed either the first or third base bags in fair territory it is a foul ball Just remember, it when the defensive player TOUCHES the ball, it become fair - picking it up is not required. Also notice WGN has no high home camera - so we will never see that play from the angle that Hoye had. One REALLY gets spoiled watching Yankee games on YES, where they have almost as good coverage as network games. 90% of the time, YES will have an angle close to what the umpire has on almost every play. |
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Post by mike on Jun 21, 2011 9:45:49 GMT -5
Fred, I think you are letting your pro-official bias cloud your judgment on this one. That ball very clearly landed in fair territory and then the spin caused it to roll back into foul territory and it was foul when the catcher picked it up but since it had not crossed either the first or third base bags in fair territory it is a foul ball Just remember, it when the defensive player TOUCHES the ball, it become fair - picking it up is not required. Also notice WGN has no high home camera - so we will never see that play from the angle that Hoye had. One REALLY gets spoiled watching Yankee games on YES, where they have almost as good coverage as network games. 90% of the time, YES will have an angle close to what the umpire has on almost every play. The last couple of seconds has the touching and it appears that the ball had crossed home plate when it was touched |
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Post by russ on Jun 21, 2011 11:41:02 GMT -5
The Cubs feed on CSN clearly showed Soto picking this ball up while it was still on the plate. This video really doesn't show a good angle because the White Sox are trying to make Hoye look worse. I was watching this game in real time with the Cubs feed and it was an excellent call by James Hoye.
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Post by russ on Jun 21, 2011 11:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by timdaye on Jun 21, 2011 19:29:15 GMT -5
What does it take to get an umpire fired? Seems to me, every summer, we all have the same discussion, about mostly the same umpires making bad calls and running anyone that looks cross-eyed at 'em. Just once I'd like to see a player or manager stand up to one of these "less-than-superior" umpires and just tell 'em, "I'm not leaving." I'm not really sure how that'd work out for the player/manager, but it is definately going to cause the league to examine the situation. I mean, if all of us are seeing these patterns, don't ya suppose that someone at MLB sees 'em too? I'm not trying to indict all of the MLB umpire corps. Good umpires make mistakes. Bad umpires make more mistakes. It'd be nice to see some of the "more" guys, especially the ones that have been in MLB for a while and should be better at this point in their career, in a la-z-boy and not on the field.
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Post by howard63 on Jun 22, 2011 9:23:30 GMT -5
From what I understand, there is a rather complicated process for firing a major league umpire for incompetence. Umpires are far more likely to be fired for off the field transgressions than anything that happens on the field.
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Post by impz45 on Jun 25, 2011 9:41:03 GMT -5
Can anyone name the last umpire terminated for performance?
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Post by FredFan7 on Jun 25, 2011 14:03:47 GMT -5
Several AAA call-up umpires have been terminated, some for performance and others because of a numbers game. Ron Barnes, Delfin Colon, etc., have been dropped from the rosters but they were not union members.
Stan Landes was fired in 1972, Art Williams in 1977 both (allegedly) for performance, and some of the 1979 replacement umpires either quit or were fired in the early 80s. Dave Pallone claims he was fired because he was happy person, but he had a myriad of other baggage both on and off the field.
I have a hard time remembering any full time union umpire fired for performance sine 1990.
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Post by ak482 on Jun 25, 2011 15:17:39 GMT -5
Nationals interim manager John McLaren tossed last night in Chicago after a rare overrule by HP ump Jeff Nelson on a call by 1st base ump Mike Estabrook involving a tag and a subsequent argument with ol' Ozzie. Unfortunately, no replay is available in this clip to see whether the tag was made. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16242041&topic_id=8879838&c_id=mlbNationals announcer Bob Carpenter channeling his inner Hawk Harrelson with his outrage, but he's correct about the unusual nature of the play. I'd say McLaren should worry about a possible suspension considering how close his finger came, but since it's apparent Davey Johnson will take over any day, it's probably moot. How often does this type of overrule happen? |
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Post by nyasablue on Jun 25, 2011 16:57:12 GMT -5
Nationals interim manager John McLaren tossed last night in Chicago after a rare overrule by HP ump Jeff Nelson on a call by 1st base ump Mike Estabrook involving a tag and a subsequent argument with ol' Ozzie. Unfortunately, no replay is available in this clip to see whether the tag was made. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16242041&topic_id=8879838&c_id=mlbNationals announcer Bob Carpenter channeling his inner Hawk Harrelson with his outrage, but he's correct about the unusual nature of the play. I'd say McLaren should worry about a possible suspension considering how close his finger came, but since it's apparent Davey Johnson will take over any day, it's probably moot. How often does this type of overrule happen? Sure looks like he made contact - in fact, thats when the 1B ump ejects him. What is interesting is that the video freezes when it looks like he is about to make contact with Nelson too. With injuries, and what have you, seems there has been a LOT of AAA call ups this year... |
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Post by FredFan7 on Jun 25, 2011 18:33:14 GMT -5
McLaren looked like he poked Estabrook's cap. That was an unusual play, and someone was going to be ejected no matter the ruling. Ozzie was ready to let it rip before Nelson intervened.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 19:51:11 GMT -5
An umpire is not supposed to overrule another umpire's judgement call unless the umpire making the original call askes for help. Washington could have played the game under protest which they had to do before another plaY took place
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Post by FredFan7 on Jun 25, 2011 21:37:21 GMT -5
An umpire is not supposed to overrule another umpire's judgement call unless the umpire making the original call askes for help. Washington could have played the game under protest which they had to do before another plaY took place Can't tell for sure, but Estabrook was walking purposefully toward the HP umpire. He may have told Konerko, "I'll get help." I think what burned Estabrook was that he was moving at the time of the call. You can see things SO MUCH BETTER when you are stationary. |
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