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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 22:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Mar 2, 2012 23:16:48 GMT -5
Morelli's crew will not be scrutinized in this story. The criticism and shame will directly fall on the coaches involved in this.
Back in 1989, Buddy Ryan, head coach of the Eagles, put a bounty on a few Cowboys players in the Thanksgiving game leading to a major fight that Gene Barth's crew had to clean up.
This is nothing new; however back in '89 it wasn't codified in the rules. This is a major violation by the Saints.
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Post by cj on Mar 2, 2012 23:32:34 GMT -5
Folks, let's not be naive. Whether there is an overt bounty or not, this is the nature of professional (and big time college) football. Violence is why so many love the game. Watch the Sports Center highlights. Some commentators will show the big hits of the day with all sorts of wham emenating from his mouth.
Defensive players are taught their job is to intimidate offensive players and yes to hurt them, not maim them or kill them but of course that can be the unfortunate result of the sport. This has been going on for years. We have, in this country, this obsession with winning at all costs (other countries too probably). Intimidate the opposition when you're on defense. Maybe the wide recveiver will think twice about going over the middle. Face it, players are bigger, stronger and faster and in many cdases all doped up. Everybody here knows it or at least I hope everybody knows it. The old physics axiom comes into play Force is directly proportional to mass and speed. Collisions by their nature are more violent. This is what professsional foiotball, as played today, is. Put hm on the ground, put the qb on the ground. It comes with the sport. This is what so many enjoy and watch the sport for. And no amount of anything will take a lot of it out of the game.
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Post by russ on Mar 3, 2012 4:17:35 GMT -5
But CJ, there is a difference between hard hits and trying to injure someone. The part that is so disgusting about this story is that players were paid to target players and get them off the field on stretchers. That is wrong in so many ways. Big punishing hits that sometimes end in injuries are just part of the game, but getting rewarded for injuring a player is a disgrace to the league and directly compromises the integrity of it. Everybody involved should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by cj on Mar 3, 2012 8:05:55 GMT -5
russ, pal, you don'g get it. Professional sports, all professional sports, is about intimidation. When a safety pops a recdeiver, he is always trying to inflict pain for two reasons. Number 1, if the receiver has caught the ball, to dislodge it. The other is to suggest to the receiver to think twice before venturing into his area again. Does the safety want to break the player's neck and paralyze him? No in almost all cases but then again where does it stop being a clean hard hit and become a devestating hit. Some of hte most horific injuries in history have come on what might be called a clean hit. Of course you penalize dirty hits. Was the hit on Tom Brady a couple of years ago a dirty hit? Or was it a clean hit that just happened to wipe out his knee? Again, you want officials and the NFL front office to play god and figure out the difference? Are we going to start seeing 15 yard personal fouls unnecessary roughness called on every play? I'm not sure you can, quite frankly, and with the doped up players of today weighing 300 lbs or more able to run as fast as they can, hits are gong to become more and more devestating. Defensive players are taught to hit and hit hard, they always have. Don't get me wrong. Greg Williams deserves a very heavy punishment without any question but whether overt or not, this has been gong on for years. It's the reason so many in this country love pro football, why the television ratings are so high.
Let me make it very clear, I am not defending bounties. Indeed they have no place in football.
JMHO
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 0:17:12 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone remembers who the referee was of the 2 bounty bowl games between the Eagles and Cowboys in '89?
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Post by FredFan7 on Mar 4, 2012 10:49:58 GMT -5
Barth's crew in the first one on Thanksgiving Day 1989 and Jerry Seeman in the rematch later that year.
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Post by howard63 on Mar 4, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
This is starting to look like a Gregg Williams issue as much as it is a New Orleans Saints issue. There are reports that Williams had a bounty system while he was defensive cooordinator of the Redskins and when he was head coach in Buffalo. I have a feeling Mr. Williams is going to get the hammer dropped on him by Roger Goodell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 19:09:08 GMT -5
Williams was a crap head coach and not a nice person.
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Post by hank on Mar 7, 2012 1:59:25 GMT -5
Morelli's crew will not be scrutinized in this story. The criticism and shame will directly fall on the coaches involved in this. Back in 1989, Buddy Ryan, head coach of the Eagles, put a bounty on a few Cowboys players in the Thanksgiving game leading to a major fight that Gene Barth's crew had to clean up. This is nothing new; however back in '89 it wasn't codified in the rules. This is a major violation by the Saints. Gregg Williams is also a descendant of the Buddy Ryan coaching tree. Interesting article that also claims multiple "no calls" in the 2009 NFC Championship game. Also, claims NFLN removed game from Monday scheduled programming and substituted another game due to attention of the media on this topic. espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7652028/saints-bounty-scandal-worse-spygate-example-sets-all-other-levels-football
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Post by FredFan7 on Mar 11, 2012 15:58:08 GMT -5
Bud Grant says officials are to blame, not Saints bounties. Grant has always been a grouchy old coot when it comes to officiating and his first reaction is to tear officials down. bit.ly/xcswUz
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Post by hank on Mar 13, 2012 22:44:18 GMT -5
I didn't find Grant's response to be a bad as you indicated. I also, agree with his statement regarding how penalty trends are reduced during the postseason.
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Post by ak482 on Mar 21, 2012 22:03:54 GMT -5
Update: Roger Goodell drops the bomb, not the hammer, on the Saints. espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bountiesI agree with the indefinite ban on Williams. If a coach organizes or participates in a bounty scheme, he should be run out of the league. I know a lot of people have been on Goodell, that he's trying to "put players in skirts." In this case, it's not trying to outlaw physical or even violent hits; it's eliminating players intentionally trying to injure each other & cut out incentives to play dirty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 11:40:54 GMT -5
Agreed also. Football is violent and that's what makes it good. But you can't have bounties or it just becomes a barbaric sport. I just hope officials dont start treating QBs anymore like glass than they already do.
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Post by bulldog6878 on Mar 24, 2012 6:51:16 GMT -5
But CJ, there is a difference between hard hits and trying to injure someone. The part that is so disgusting about this story is that players were paid to target players and get them off the field on stretchers. That is wrong in so many ways. Big punishing hits that sometimes end in injuries are just part of the game, but getting rewarded for injuring a player is a disgrace to the league and directly compromises the integrity of it. Everybody involved should be ashamed of themselves. Russ you said a mouthful. I don't object to a clean hit. but paying players to hurt a qb deliberately, is not sportsman like not to mention unclled for.
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