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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 16, 2012 9:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 16, 2012 9:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by timdaye on Aug 16, 2012 14:17:25 GMT -5
So... I am just kind of wondering out loud. Do you guys suppose there is something in the NFLPA agreement that states (and I am simplifying this quite a bit) players do have to play in unsafe conditions and this situation with replacement refs could be construed as unsafe?
Lets pretend there is and the players took this stance. Then what happens? If you take what the NFLRA says about $6000/gm/team as the truth. That boils down to, based on 53-man roster, about $113 per player per game. Throw coaches into that mix and its much less. It'd be funny to see each team taking a pre-game collection to get to $6K and handing an envelope to the white hat during the coin toss. Yes... I know that whole pre-game collection thing will never happen. But what can the players do to accelerate this resolution? In terms of their health and well-being, they're the ones with the most to lose.
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Post by zebrablog on Aug 16, 2012 14:45:34 GMT -5
Players could petition the Joint Committee on Player Safety and Welfare (3 members represent teams, 3 members represent NFLPA). If the committee recommends anything, it is up to the NFL Management Council to act on it.
Also, the commissioner -- and during a game, the referee -- has sole authority under Rule 17 to suspend a game due to any safety issue. Teams who do not present themselves for a game would result in a 2-0 forfeit.
Other than that, there is nothing in the current CBA that allows any sort of sitdown strike or any other evaluation of "unsafe" working conditions.
Then again, if one of the players wound up calling OSHA ....................
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Post by kickitdeep on Aug 16, 2012 15:16:37 GMT -5
where was the post that showed the scab referee crews for the nfl preseason games,,,
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Post by refusa on Aug 16, 2012 15:51:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:09:04 GMT -5
If $$ was the only issue holding things up then this would have been settled a long time ago. Both sides are taking a hard line on the pension issue and now we are hearing about the three additional crews. I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was earlier. The $$ from ESPN, NBC and Fox drives the NFL. It would be interesting if they exerted some pressure on the commish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:26:09 GMT -5
the 3 additional crews are just the officials whining. they need to have extra crews because they need more officials nfl-ready. they need more nfl-ready officials because so many are getting ready to retire. and perhaps having a few extra officials to fill in for injuries would mean fewer issues with replacing injured officials.
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Post by mike on Aug 16, 2012 16:50:04 GMT -5
Not to mention that 3 extra crews would allow for reduced travel expenses. You have 20 crews you could really return to more geographic based crews as teams can see every crew once and still miss 4 crews. The additional bye weeks (4-5 vs. 1-2) could allow the NFL to schedule a bye for an Eastern crew the week before or the week after working SEA@SF or something like that
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Post by Brent on Aug 16, 2012 17:05:17 GMT -5
If $$ was the only issue holding things up then this would have been settled a long time ago. Both sides are taking a hard line on the pension issue and now we are hearing about the three additional crews. I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was earlier. The $$ from ESPN, NBC and Fox drives the NFL. It would be interesting if they exerted some pressure on the commish. Why would the networks care about this situation enough to exert pressure? People want to see the players not the officials. Also, talking to most of my friends who are not officials, regular people really don't care who is officiating the game as most think the regulars are bad. So, really, there is not a whole heck of a lot of outside pressure on the NFL here to cave like with the players. |
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 16, 2012 17:13:50 GMT -5
Why would the networks care about this situation enough to exert pressure? People want to see the players not the officials. Also, talking to most of my friends who are not officials, regular people really don't care who is officiating the game as most think the regulars are bad. So, really, there is not a whole heck of a lot of outside pressure on the NFL here to cave like with the players. Wait until one of your friends has a team lose because of a bad call or rule interpretation by the replacement officials. They'll change their tune really quickly - and the NFLRA hopes that is the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 17:38:53 GMT -5
My thinking on the networks is that if they feel they are getting an inferior product than when they signed the big TV contracts then they (TV) "adjust" the contracts. While we are not there yet I don't think the scenario is that far fetched.
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Post by zebrablog on Aug 16, 2012 18:03:21 GMT -5
Wait until someone gets hurt, and a case can be made that shoddy officiating was to blame.
Think of the extra play the Giants ran when the 10-second runoff wasn't done. What if there was a major injury on that play. On any other occasion, an official's error wouldn't rise to potential litigation, but is there negligence if there is "inferior officiating"?
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Post by refusa on Aug 16, 2012 20:49:57 GMT -5
Another reason the networks might care is if the games constantly run over the alotted time window -- which is something they can't have. Sometimes that can't be controlled, but efficient penalty enforcements, in and out of time-outs, quick reviews, are all things that contribute to the length of the game that the replacements might struggle with initially.
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Post by zebra80 on Aug 16, 2012 22:41:29 GMT -5
refusa is spot on with regards to the networks. They are selling time blocks and need those games to stay within the alloted time. That is why there has been so much emphasis placed on the pace of the game.
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