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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 3, 2012 17:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 18:20:53 GMT -5
Interesting read, thanks FF7.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 20:05:31 GMT -5
This makes me want to puke." A dream come true"? "Helping the game so I can watch it on Sunday"? How abouthelping to keep men that deserve it off the field that earned and deserve it? Wayne, what if your employer locked you out and replaced you with incompetant replacements? How would you feel? A dream come true? Please, earn your way through life, don't capitalize on something you do not deserve. People like you are the reason this has dragged on. You have no dog in this fight; why are you involved? How about keeping a low profile and not talking to the media also Wayne? If you truely "Haven't changed", then why the media attention? 15 minutes of fame........that is why!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 20:52:07 GMT -5
BJ,
Calm down. The regulars are out and someone has to officiate the games. If the regulars were say a waiter at a restaurant making minimum wage I could buy it but the regulars make more money than most of us will ever see. They wont go hungry. They will just go back to their regular jobs.
I know some of the replacements, or scabs, and the ones I know are real nice people. Triplette tried to get a deal done but Green decided it wasn't good enough for him. Perhaps Green needs to get out of the negotiations since they are still locked out.
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Post by cj on Sept 3, 2012 21:36:29 GMT -5
Divide and conquer has always been a tool of management in these sorts of things....wait em out and then the thing will implode from inside. Ultimately back when the league used replacement players in, was it 1987 as I remember, ultimately it was the players who caved as many of them began coming in (see Taylor, Lawrence) and pretty soon, it was over. Apparently as noted there is disagreement within the officials ranks. Now they will be missing pay checks, money they can never recover. Management is, of course, counting on the games going off relatively without a hitch or with no too many game deciding problems and then try to tighten the screws. Obviously there is some facton of the officials who back what Triplette tried to do. Another facton, probably a larger one, backing what Green represented. Let's see what happens this weekend. At that point, we'll be in a better position to see just what direction this thing will be going in.
As far as my own personal feeling from my upbringing, a scab is a scab. This guy can try to say he's not a scab or he's dong it for the good of the game. But that's what scabs always say. He's doing it, as with the rest of the scabs, because it's an opportunity to make a few extra bucks and what person wants to turn that down? Come what may, the thing will eventually be settled one way or another and the scabs will be a footnote to history but always have the tag scab after their names.
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Post by intheknow on Sept 3, 2012 22:29:06 GMT -5
Divide and conquer has always been a tool of management in these sorts of things....wait em out and then the thing will implode from inside. Ultimately back when the league used replacement players in, was it 1987 as I remember, ultimately it was the players who caved as many of them began coming in (see Taylor, Lawrence) and pretty soon, it was over. Apparently as noted there is disagreement within the officials ranks. Now they will be missing pay checks, money they can never recover. Management is, of course, counting on the games going off relatively without a hitch or with no too many game deciding problems and then try to tighten the screws. Obviously there is some facton of the officials who back what Triplette tried to do. Another facton, probably a larger one, backing what Green represented. Let's see what happens this weekend. At that point, we'll be in a better position to see just what direction this thing will be going in. As far as my own personal feeling from my upbringing, a scab is a scab. This guy can try to say he's not a scab or he's dong it for the good of the game. But that's what scabs always say. He's doing it, as with the rest of the scabs, because it's an opportunity to make a few extra bucks and what person wants to turn that down? Come what may, the thing will eventually be settled one way or another and the scabs will be a footnote to history but always have the tag scab after their names. You can build a thousand bridges, and never be known as a bridge builder, but you scab just once....lol |
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 3, 2012 23:56:52 GMT -5
And it is likely that there was a lot of personal weighing of one's chances of actually being promoted to the NFL. If you realize this is your only chance, and you forgo the dream to ever return to the NFL, I can see how the decision is a lot easier. And since turning the job down does not stop the league from hiring replacements, I can see how someone would make the jump.
Whether or not they SHOULD have done it is a different story.
I find it bizarre that Triplette apparently was called into Goodell's office alone, without the rest of the negotiating committee. Then, the league thought they had laid out the progress for a deal. If the head of the negotiations is not there, how could the league think that there would be a deal the next morning? It is as if the league forgot the word "collective" in CBA.
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Post by JAYJAYSTRIPES on Sept 4, 2012 7:14:29 GMT -5
This Green-Triplette interplay with the league makes me wonder if theres a bit of friction and interplay within the union ranks? Things are not a solid as they should be, this won't help the cause any if they are not on the same page.
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Post by cj on Sept 4, 2012 7:41:45 GMT -5
And it is likely that there was a lot of personal weighing of one's chances of actually being promoted to the NFL. If you realize this is your only chance, and you forgo the dream to ever return to the NFL, I can see how the decision is a lot easier. And since turning the job down does not stop the league from hiring replacements, I can see how someone would make the jump. Whether or not they SHOULD have done it is a different story. I find it bizarre that Triplette apparently was called into Goodell's office alone, without the rest of the negotiating committee. Then, the league thought they had laid out the progress for a deal. If the head of the negotiations is not there, how could the league think that there would be a deal the next morning? It is as if the league forgot the word "collective" in CBA. Bizarre? Not really. Labor disputes end for one of three reasons. 1. Management caves. 2. There is a true spirit of cooperation allowing both sides to compromise. 3. The union caves. In this case 1 is apparently not going to happen. 2. Well there was some movement by management and by the union which might have led to a settlement. But there was quite a bit of dissension apparently within the union. So as it stands now, number 3 is what is most likely to happen and in that case it will probably be an implosion from within as did the players in the replacement season I referred to. Of course, not everybody has the same problems. Some of the union members may really need the income they are losing. For others, it might just be a luxury they will simply be leaving to their heirs hopefully a long way down the line. It would seem to me, as of this moment, the league does not see any great need to settle (this might change after this week’s games of course). That being the case, the internal pressure within the union and dissension might give the league hope that they just have to stay the course and within another week or two of missed pay checks, the union will fall into place. What other conclusion can one reach? |
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 4, 2012 11:26:01 GMT -5
Assuming the league goes to 20 crews, and if they are all assigned equally, that means (if my math is correct) 4 bye weeks for each crew, including preseason. That means a deal under the current parameters means a loss of 2 paychecks.
I don't see the "dissension within the union." Of course, no one is talking, no matter how much I plead. This does seem to indicate solidarity, but, admittedly, it is only apocryphal evidence at best.
I can see a one-on-one with Goodell and Triplette being useful when there are butting personalities in the negotiation, but it seems the NFL believed that the purpose of the meeting was for Triplette to be a mere passenger pigeon in the process.
The union keeps stating, and the NFL statements seem to back up, the notion that the NFL is presenting a proposal for a yes/no vote, and are not interested in haggling over the costs of the entire package.
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Post by andrewmccarthy on Sept 4, 2012 13:42:03 GMT -5
It would be poetic justice if this guy lost a game for granting an interview and it ended up being the only game the replacements worked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 20:14:10 GMT -5
It would be poetic justice if someone locked Green and Goodell in a room until they came up with a deal. Remember the Simpsons episode where Principal Skinner and Edna Crabapple were locked in a room? That's what I think needs to happen here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 19:02:37 GMT -5
It would be poetic justice if this guy lost a game for granting an interview and it ended up being the only game the replacements worked. Andrew that is an awful comment. The difference between this lockout and lockouts the common working person would run into is that all 121 officials are freelancers. I have a regular job and a freelance job. The freelance job has no benefits and I need the permission of my boss to be able to do the freelance work. Also none of these regular officials are going to go on welfare or food stamps if they are not back on the field. This isn't like the strikes involving common folk looking for safe working conditions or fair compensation to be able to get food on the table. As far as I feel if the regulars want to work in the league, they take what the league is offering. If not then quit and get on with your life. All of these guys have regular jobs or are retired. Not officiating will not put any of these guys on the streets like regular folks. This lockout is ridiculous and I honestly do not miss the regulars. The replacements are just as likely to get a call wrong as the regulars. |
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Post by andrewmccarthy on Sept 7, 2012 8:57:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what was so awful about my comment. The replacements were told not to talk to the media and this guy grants a big "look at me" interview.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 10:22:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure what was so awful about my comment. The replacements were told not to talk to the media and this guy grants a big "look at me" interview. Officials talk all the time, even the regulars. This is the guy's one shot at glory. |
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