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Post by zcr57 on Sept 17, 2012 22:00:57 GMT -5
And now the crew botches an enforcement on a defensive holding foul. This is an embarrassing performance.
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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 17, 2012 22:01:55 GMT -5
After further review and close inspection during a penalty announcement, I think it is a Fox 40 Caul.  Referee switched back to a Fox 40 pealess whistle in the second half. |
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Post by cj on Sept 17, 2012 22:05:54 GMT -5
Finally saw a case where the league supervisor interceded to change defensive holding 5 yards from the previous spot to 5 yards from the end of a running play. First time I've seen that. Could it be the league had a talking to the supervisor at half time to pay attention to what's going on? BTW on the play they showed at the start of the half, the 11 yards for defensive holding....did the referee announce defensive holding 5 yards from the end of the play.....and just how would they get to 11 anyway? 5 yards from the spot of the foul? Doesn't make sense that it wasn't corrected.
Remember, I did suggest somewhere along the way that the regular guys are really not going out of their ways (the league supervisor and the replay official) to assist the scabs. The league may try to sweep it all uner the rug and blame these guys for their failure to assert themselves. Not saying this should happen but it very well might.
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 17, 2012 22:21:15 GMT -5
The game supervisor is responsible for proper administration of penalties, but not judgement calls. The alternate official dressed for the game has a walkie-talkie to the press box.
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Post by cj on Sept 17, 2012 22:33:40 GMT -5
The game supervisor is responsible for proper administration of penalties, but not judgement calls. The alternate official dressed for the game has a walkie-talkie to the press box. I agree. My point was they haven't been doing that witness the 11 yard walk off for defensive holding and a few others. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 22:44:35 GMT -5
I know Ive said this before...you cannot effectively run a professional football game from the sideline, press box, etc. Did you ever think that maybe the off field people don't know all the rules either? Again, the real refs know the rules better than anyone. Pay them and this all goes away. Simple. I'm turning this game off...at this pace, I can watch the 4th Quarter at breakfast!
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Post by cj on Sept 17, 2012 23:12:20 GMT -5
Well I watched the entire second half.....they corrected the one administrative error but other than that nothing seemed out of the ordinary as to what we've come to expect from the scabs. It will be interesting to hear if there are comments from the Denver coach or whether or not he has been told in no uncertain terms by the league that he better not say anything.
Don't think that phone call will be coming from Park Avenue on Tuesday morning (my guess!)
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Post by russ on Sept 17, 2012 23:35:04 GMT -5
After an extremely rough first half, the crew calmed down in the second half. It seems they do better when no penalties are called, the problem is penalties of course have to be called.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 23:45:52 GMT -5
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 18, 2012 0:44:59 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Sept 18, 2012 1:23:36 GMT -5
I know Ive said this before...you cannot effectively run a professional football game from the sideline, press box, etc. Did you ever think that maybe the off field people don't know all the rules either? Again, the real refs know the rules better than anyone. Pay them and this all goes away. Simple. I'm turning this game off...at this pace, I can watch the 4th Quarter at breakfast! Actually, I disagree with you on that in general. NCAA replays are handled from the press box, aren't they? If we accept instant replay, and I think most of us do, the NFL's version of instant replay is ludicrous, at least in my opinion. Having the referee go under the hood and trying to determine if he should overrule his own call or that of a crew mate often puts a referee in a most compromising position especially on those that are so marginal that the call can go either way. There is no reason that the NFL should not adopt the NHL system where the referee does not go under the hood, the decisions are made in the league situation room in Toronto and are made n a cosistant basis as to just what constitues a distinct kicking motion, for example, on a disputed goal. The same person makes the decision whether the game is being layed in New Jersey or in British Colombia. The system has taken a while to refine but I don't think anybody would want to go back to a system without IR. The NFL procedure for IR is time consuming and can be iconsistant as well as wrong. Let the league supervisors sitting on Park Avenue help out in making the calls. Don't hang your referees out to dry and then sit around on Monday morning and play these closs calls back 15 times and criticize the referee for reversing or not. I agree we don't want judgment cdalls made in the press box or with IR BUT THE nfl system with the silly challenges but now automatic challenges on scoring plays or possible scoring plays (and when the replay official sees an obvious mistake, why not just correct me immediately instead of this ceremony of the referee gooing under the hood with the assistance of the league supervisor monitoring the game in New York. Why if that system had been in effect more than a decade ago, a certain white hat might have been spared many death threats and might even have been able to work Oakland Raiders games ince then even though his ultimate call was what the rules called for. The NFL assured us the league supervisor, sitting in the replay booth with the replay official, all for the most part former officials in the saye way Gerry Austin or Mike Periera are, would assist on administering the different rules we have in the NFL. Tonight was the first time we have seen that take place (although others might have seen it take place elsewhere). As I said, I've gotten the feeling that a lot of these guys just want to make the scabs look bad (and they don't need m,uch help with that admitedly) and have been reluctant to step in but the mis-application of spotting the ball 11 yards away from the previous spot in the first half was one that should have been corrected and yes I agree it is not likely to have happened with the regulars but they've been known to miss once in a while also. If the league doesn't want to budge, then it behooves itself to set up a situation to prevent stuff like this from happening and I thought they had made it a point they had. And after all is over and done with, they still should address the IR situation and do it the same way the NHL does. No reason not to. |
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Post by JugglingReferee on Sept 18, 2012 4:51:26 GMT -5
Thank goodness for the sleep timer. That was rough last night.
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Post by JAYJAYSTRIPES on Sept 18, 2012 7:40:34 GMT -5
Time for Lord Roger and his cronies to get rid of the ostrich mentality and get their heads out of the sand and have some intelligent conversation withe 120 guys sitting on the sidelines, and time for Green, Triplette and crew to listen and provide some input that will be fruitful...two weeks of this abomination called the NFL is enough, from what I've seen it is on a par with sandlot Sunday afternoon picnic football. Get Lord Roger out of the drivers seat and "let's play football gentlemen"
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Post by cj on Sept 18, 2012 7:57:14 GMT -5
Time for Lord Roger and his cronies to get rid of the ostrich mentality and get their heads out of the sand and have some intelligent conversation withe 120 guys sitting on the sidelines, and time for Green, Triplette and crew to listen and provide some input that will be fruitful...two weeks of this abomination called the NFL is enough, from what I've seen it is on a par with sandlot Sunday afternoon picnic football. Get Lord Roger out of the drivers seat and "let's play football gentlemen" Jay...the league believes it's already been down that road what with when they had Triplette in, thought they had the outlines of a settlement and then the next day when they thought Scott Green and the lawyer for the union were called in presumably to dot the i's and cross the t's, it turned out they wanted to open a whole new set of negotiation. Bye Bye. The League has nbow endured a two week lock out and while behind the scene there may be some dissension from some owners towards the way things are, most of the owners are not football people. Like everybody else here, I would hope the regular guys are back ASAP. However, as I've said, I fear management has one issue they will not give an inch on which is the pension issue. And as the missed paychecks start to add up, they are counting on some members of the union cavings. They clearly are willing to accept what is going on whether we like it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 9:07:58 GMT -5
The refs have said that the league's account of the Triplett situation was "absolutely false." Considering the the league's history of manipulating the media, muzzling its players and coaches, and many other examples...I believe the refs & applaude them for demanding a "fair & reasonable" contract. I also must believe that if this scab charade continues it is more likely, as this week has shown, that the league will move off of its position or risk even more damage to the game. Great video of Monday fallout BTW:
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