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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 16, 2014 14:08:23 GMT -5
All positions.
Who do you think is in? Borderline? Who can book a tee time now?
Please observe rules. No flaming officials.
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Post by mike on Dec 16, 2014 19:42:29 GMT -5
Assuming rookies cannot qualify I will do Referee only:
In: Corrente, Vinovich, Steratore (my 3 favorites for the Super Bowl) Out: Boger, possibly Parry and McAulay (the latter only if the NFL continues its policy of not having Super Bowl R work following year) Middle: Everyone else
10 Playoff Spots as of now 1) Corrente 2) Vinovich 3) Steratore 4) Cheffers 5) Blakeman 6) Coleman 7) Morelli 8) Triplette 9 and 10) 2 of McAulay, Anderson and Hochuli
I will add that had first year Referees been eligible Wrolstad definitely and Allen probably would be in the 10 Playoff Spots by now. While Torbert has done better than I expected and hasn't looked out of place as a Referee it is a tight race this year as usually by this point I have more than 1 on my tee time list
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Post by js on Dec 16, 2014 21:05:15 GMT -5
Of the Big 4, I follow the NFL's officiating the least & I would be the first to admit that I don't know what goes into their postseason assigning procedures. Nonetheless, here's my guess at who'll be working in January...
Carl Cheffers Walt Coleman Jeff Triplette Walt Anderson Tony Corrente Bill Leavy Gene Steratore Bill Vinovich Pete Morelli Clete Blakeman
The key this year is whether or not Terry McAulay works the postseason. If recent precedent holds form, then I see this list holding to form. But if Blandino et al. decide to give McAualy an assignment, then he knocks somebody out (likely one of the Walts or Triplette).
Furthermore, I think the Super Bowl ref will ultimately be one of Corrente, Steratore, Morelli or Leavy.
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Post by cj on Dec 17, 2014 16:11:15 GMT -5
Leavy? Kaput because of too many men on the field fiasco TB-Cinc.
Hochulhi? Kaput because of horrible RTP call in SEA-SF.
But of course, there is no rhyme or reason. They will claim it is merit based on ratings which is absolute unadulterated nonsense. They do what they want to do and we go through this every year on the board as if anybody here knows anything because after all last year a certain referee whose name I shall not mention but whose initials are JT had several blown calls during the season yet got a playoff assignment while some others that people here felt were more worthy did not.
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 17, 2014 16:18:49 GMT -5
Leavy? Kaput because of too many men on the field fiasco TB-Cinc. Hochulhi? Kaput because of horrible RTP call in SEA-SF. But of course, there is no rhyme or reason. They will claim it is merit based on ratings which is absolute unadulterated nonsense. They do what they want to do and we go through this every year on the board as if anybody here knows anything because after all last year a certain referee whose name I shall not mention but whose initials are JT had several blown calls during the season yet got a playoff assignment while some others that people here felt were more worthy did not. As we have seen before. One missed call does not doom playoff chances. R85 worked a playoff even in the year he had the inadvertant whistle
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Post by js on Dec 17, 2014 17:21:49 GMT -5
Leavy? Kaput because of too many men on the field fiasco TB-Cinc. Hochulhi? Kaput because of horrible RTP call in SEA-SF. But of course, there is no rhyme or reason. They will claim it is merit based on ratings which is absolute unadulterated nonsense. They do what they want to do and we go through this every year on the board as if anybody here knows anything because after all last year a certain referee whose name I shall not mention but whose initials are JT had several blown calls during the season yet got a playoff assignment while some others that people here felt were more worthy did not. So if the NFL does what they want to do every year as you say, then what gives you the authority to say that Bill Leavy and Ed Hochuli are "kaput?" They're just as eligible as any other referee. Simple as that.
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Post by russ on Dec 17, 2014 20:28:22 GMT -5
Yeah, 1 incorrect call certainly does not eliminate someone from playoff contention. Steartore had at least 3 last year and still worked the NFC Championship, so getting 1 downgrade literally means nothing.
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Post by cj on Dec 18, 2014 7:58:38 GMT -5
I sort of meant those comments tongue in cheek however sometimes miscues are a function of just when they occur in a game and just how close the game is. If either of those mistakes took place midway through the first quarter in a blow out, nobody would remember them. But I go back many years and to Phil Lucket. It was his claim that year that his ratings were playoff eligible but because he had been involved in 2 controversial games, the NFL paid him the playoff bonus but said public relations wise they couldn't afford to use him in a playoff game.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a guy is good enough he works the playoffs on a rotational basis. If a guy isn't good enough, get rid of him. We go through this here every year and while it is sort of fun to listen to everybody's opinion, the so called ratings are bogus and are manipulated so that the officials who are more favored by the supervisors get the assignment. Stop being naïve that it is based on merit. Merit is subjective. Dings are subjective. But we'll just sit back and wait.
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Post by js on Dec 18, 2014 11:48:23 GMT -5
Then what are YOUR predictions CJ?
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Post by mike on Dec 18, 2014 12:53:27 GMT -5
I sort of meant those comments tongue in cheek however sometimes miscues are a function of just when they occur in a game and just how close the game is. If either of those mistakes took place midway through the first quarter in a blow out, nobody would remember them. But I go back many years and to Phil Lucket. It was his claim that year that his ratings were playoff eligible but because he had been involved in 2 controversial games, the NFL paid him the playoff bonus but said public relations wise they couldn't afford to use him in a playoff game. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a guy is good enough he works the playoffs on a rotational basis. If a guy isn't good enough, get rid of him. We go through this here every year and while it is sort of fun to listen to everybody's opinion, the so called ratings are bogus and are manipulated so that the officials who are more favored by the supervisors get the assignment. Stop being naïve that it is based on merit. Merit is subjective. Dings are subjective. But we'll just sit back and wait. The problem is the rotational system does not really work when you have 11/17 (assuming no rookies at the position) making the playoffs or Pro Bowl in the NFL before even getting to alternates. I can just imagine a lawsuit by someone getting fired for lack of performance saying "well I was good enough to be an alternate and/or Pro Bowl." With the league expanding to 3 Alternates if you take on field officials for 10 playoff games plus Pro Bowl and 3 alternates for each of the 10 playoff games that are 107 officials right there (out of a complement of 119 not including rookies and injured officials). For an official to not make the cut under your standard they would have to be in the bottom 12 officials (or approximately 1.7 per position) for multiple years running. I really do not want a guy who is ranked 17, 15, 15, 16, 17 at his position potentially getting 2 or more playoff games because his name came up in the rotation. Moreover, unless you have a system where the Top 3 are automatically assigned to the Conference Championship/Super Bowl regardless of what the rotation says what is the incentive to do more than just good enough to keep your job/personal pride? I want the officials trying to do their very best each and every week
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Post by cj on Dec 18, 2014 21:33:09 GMT -5
The problem, Mike, is the "ratings" are totally subjective. Just as an example, use the Hochulhi call from last week. Blandino says it was a bad call. Mike Carey, a former referee, says he would have made the same call. Many of the so called dings we talk about are totally subjective based on which supervisor is doing the rating. Unfortunately, this is not brain surgery. It is a system designed by human beings. Like I said, no matter what, politics play as much a role as anything else in the selection of officials. Jerome Boger was the Super Bowl referee two years ago and that selection was condemned by almost everybody here. Did certain other considerations play a role? Who really knows. If a guy is finishing 15, 15, 16 for several years in a row, maybe he is just not good enough. As far as incentives, these men are professionals and I really believe they will always try to do their best.
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Post by I've been warned on Dec 19, 2014 9:22:28 GMT -5
At this point, an official's body of work this season has probably earned them whatever playoff assignment(s) they're going to receive (even if that is no assignment at all.) What they're focusing on now, as I'm sure they are each week, is no mistakes -- don't play yourself out of the assignment. Just my opinion.
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Post by mike on Dec 19, 2014 11:32:59 GMT -5
I agree that to an extent ratings are subjective (rules exams are objective). However, if you take a look at this year you may have everyone who is not in their first year at a position getting either an on-field assignment or an alternate. Someone could be last at their position by a wide amount and get an assignment. If the league fires for nonperformance how can the league justify it when the official claims "but I was good enough to receive an assignment"? Personally I would not mind a system where divisional officials are alternates for wild card round and vice versa and officials from either round are alternates for Conference Championship and Super Bowl sort of like NHL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 10:46:38 GMT -5
I will say one thing. Because there are so many rookie and injured officials, that if you don't get an assignment this year and you haven't had one in a while, pretty good chance you will get a pink slip.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 14:35:42 GMT -5
It will be interesting as this season there are so many rookie officials, injured officials, and retired officials whose spots were not filled to where if you don't get in, there is an issue. 3 eligible FJ have never made the playoffs and with 3 rookies, 10 of 14 will go (if Zimmer is deemed to have missed too much time then it's 11/13) so should be interesting.
Eligible officials per position (assuming no rookies get in and no currently injured officials get in) with 10 playoff games (pro bowl not a playoff game and SB officials normally recycled from earlier rounds):
R - 14 U - 14 H - 15 L - 14 F - 14 S - 14 B - 14 C- 0 (for now)
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