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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 3, 2015 9:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Aug 3, 2015 14:15:56 GMT -5
Now here's the question...will Coleman ever work a Raiders game again?
(About as much chance as Mark Geiger working a Panama game in World Cup Qualifying!
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 3, 2015 18:01:06 GMT -5
Coleman should work a Raiders non-conference away game - like Raiders at Redskins or something.
Every Raider associated with the Tuck Rule Game is no longer on the team or dead.
If the NFL is afraid Coleman will be harmed at a Raiders' home game....well, that says something about the Raiders' fans.
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Post by cj on Aug 3, 2015 19:37:59 GMT -5
Coleman should work a Raiders non-conference away game - like Raiders at Redskins or something. Every Raider associated with the Tuck Rule Game is no longer on the team or dead. If the NFL is afraid Coleman will be harmed at a Raiders' home game....well, that says something about the Raiders' fans. . But Fred, that's been true for several years, right? And Blandino has been there for 3 years now and yet has not seen fit to assign Coleman to a Raiders game. Why would you, and I respect your opinion, think he would change that now? (And although I think Coleman may not be working much longer and it is possible the Raiders may be in Los Angeles next year, if Coleman were still working, would they assign him then? And why hasn't he done a Raiders road game where the fans play no role. Finally, I've always found this whole situation with Coleman very interesting. You know the tuck rule play was the first play after the 2 minute warning and New England were out of time outs. That means the replay on the tuck rule was a booth review. What id that play had occurred one player earlier? (History is full of a lot of what ifs and I think you know my feeling on the stupidity of having a challenge system). So if that play had occurred one play sooner, no replay (assuming the replay official wouldn't have somehow gotten word to Coleman, now I know there are no conspiracy theories but...in any event under this alternative interpretation of history, the call is not overturned, the Raiders go on to win. After the game, Periera comes out and says they should have called the tuck rule. Would Coleman have been banned in Boston I mean Foxboro then? Hm. How history hinges on such minor details. |
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Post by I've been warned on Aug 12, 2015 23:03:11 GMT -5
Coleman will get his Raiders game when they leave Oakland next year and return to L.A.
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Post by tuckerewell on Sept 7, 2015 22:12:48 GMT -5
If one were to look at the play...I mean seriously look at the video of the play that exists...it's easy to see Brady with BOTH hands on the ball just prior to being stripped by Woodson. It was not a tuck and it was a bad call. The fact that Coleman has yet to do a Raiders game makes one wonder. If the the call was a good call why then would the NFL have any concern with having Coleman do a Raider game. When you're doing what is right you wouldn't care about a complaint. Coleman blew it. The NFL blew it. The video is there for all to see. Anyone still supporting the bad call that was made is in denial.
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Post by teo on Sept 8, 2015 12:23:51 GMT -5
Every Raider associated with the Tuck Rule Game is no longer on the team or dead. Charles Woodson and Sebastian Janikowski still play for the Raiders. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 20:20:46 GMT -5
It was a horrible call that marred the AFC Championship game and here is why: The play needed to be looked at in real time instead of super slow motion. In slow motion maybe he moved his hand forward, but in the context of the play and in real time it was definitely a sack/fumble. Right up there with the WORST CALLS EVER!
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 10, 2015 12:58:10 GMT -5
So re-litigating the Tuck Rule is our diversion from Deflategate? Oy!
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Post by tuckerewell on Sept 14, 2015 23:49:33 GMT -5
It's not re litigating Zebra...just facts. When Coleman does a Raider game it can be put to rest. As to why he doesn't, who knows. How that call was overturned and justified after the fact by many in media and on this board too, is beyond me. I've heard that "all the video didn't make it to Colemans monitor". Maybe so. The game was in NE and and in the year following there were comments made by some in Raider management who were there and in booth, that things weren't right that night when the process went down. Nothing can change what happened that night but one thing is clear...The Patriots should not have won that game.
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 15, 2015 1:28:06 GMT -5
I dunno. I thought that it was near consensus (after the initial uproar had subsided) that it was a dumb rule applied correctly. Like putting your name on the SATs is worth 200 points; like washing the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher; and like the NFL is tax exempt because it is in the same classification as the local peewee football league.
Raider management will always spin a tale of yore as to how the league has perpetually screwed them. Even tried to pull Art McNally into it. If they were, in fact, in the replay booth, which has the sign "POSITIVELY NO VISITORS," then you are correct, things weren't right that night.
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Post by teo on Sept 16, 2015 20:54:21 GMT -5
Something I wonder myself more about Coleman not working Raider games is why he hasn't had a Super Bowl assigment while many less experienced officials have already work the final game since then.
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Post by cj on Sept 17, 2015 22:07:19 GMT -5
Something I wonder myself more about Coleman not working Raider games is why he hasn't had a Super Bowl assigment while many less experienced officials have already work the final game since then. Politics, politics. Many good referees never got t work the NFL Championship games while others got this game every other year (see Markbreit, J.) Larry Nemmers and Gordon McCarter were fine referees who were around for a long time but were never given the big games. Probably considered too dull whereas Markbreit had some charisma. Markbreit was an adequate referee (but google the Holy Roller game and see how badly he messed up and would never admit it. It has nothing to do with competence but it's also based on how Blandino feels. Of course these assignments, for the sake of staff morale, should rotate but for some reason that is considered heresy. |
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Post by hank on Sept 18, 2015 3:02:03 GMT -5
There are a two items that bother me regarding the Tuck Rule: 1:Brady had two hands on the ball before Woodson knocked the ball free, thus his arm was no longer moving forward. He had tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.  2. On January 6, 2001 the Raiders hosted the Dolphins in a AFC Divisional game (a year before the Tuck Rule Game). Towards the end of the 3rd quarter Jay Fiedler fumbled the ball and Phil Luckett called the Tuck Rule. The Raiders challenged this play and lost. For the media to portray the Raiders organization, coaches, and players as oblivious to this rule prior to that snowy New England evening on January 19, 2002 is misleading. The media is definitely oblivious. Perhaps, Walt Coleman should change his email address. |
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Post by tuckerewell on Sept 18, 2015 11:06:48 GMT -5
I dunno. I thought that it was near consensus (after the initial uproar had subsided) that it was a dumb rule applied correctly. Like putting your name on the SATs is worth 200 points; like washing the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher; and like the NFL is tax exempt because it is in the same classification as the local peewee football league. Raider management will always spin a tale of yore as to how the league has perpetually screwed them. Even tried to pull Art McNally into it. If they were, in fact, in the replay booth, which has the sign "POSITIVELY NO VISITORS," then you are correct, things weren't right that night. Zebra, I think the "consensus" came from the NFL. As far as Raider management spinning tales of yore, c'mon...no one tops the massive spin the NFL applies to whatever situation it finds itself in. Any reasonable person with football knowledge would look at the play or the photo Hank (thanks Hank) posted showing Brady with both hands on the ball and know that the tuck rule was interpreted improperly. That photo was available immediately after the game. It wasn't something that was doctored and showed up years later. The Raiders story was that that view of Brady with both hands on the ball was there to see on NFL replay tape. Did Coleman have it ? Did the NFL, the network or even the Patriots interfere? We will never know. It was a bad call and was spun afterward as the right call while ignoring what happened. When you try to turn this into a Raider paranoia issue you are doing the NFLs bidding and spinning. It was a wrong and bad call all the way. How can any reasonably intelligent football mind defend the ruling after seeing that photo? I heard many on this site do that and many Patriots fans do that as well. |
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