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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 5, 2015 13:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by russ on Oct 5, 2015 22:50:31 GMT -5
According to Gerry Austin, on the ball Calvin Johnson fumbled at the one yard line into the endzone a Seahwaks defender batted the ball out of the endzone and it should have been ruled an illegal bat. Looking at the replay, it certainly looks like an intentional bat by Wright and it should have been called. BJ Greg Wilson was looking right at the play but I guess he ruled in unintentional. Pretty bad miss from Wilson at a horrible time. www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000550949/Can-t-Miss-Play-Kam-s-knockout-punch |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:51:47 GMT -5
According to Gerry Austin, on the ball Calvin Johnson fumbled at the one yard line into the endzone a Seahwaks defender batted the ball out of the endzone and it should have been ruled an illegal bat. Looking at the replay, it certainly looks like an intentional bat by Wright and it should have been called. BJ Greg Wilson was looking right at the play but I guess he ruled in unintentional. Pretty bad miss from Wilson at a horrible time. www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000550949/Can-t-Miss-Play-Kam-s-knockout-punchWhat would the penalty have been? Detroit ball??? |
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Post by russ on Oct 5, 2015 23:01:32 GMT -5
According to Gerry Austin, on the ball Calvin Johnson fumbled at the one yard line into the endzone a Seahwaks defender batted the ball out of the endzone and it should have been ruled an illegal bat. Looking at the replay, it certainly looks like an intentional bat by Wright and it should have been called. BJ Greg Wilson was looking right at the play but I guess he ruled in unintentional. Pretty bad miss from Wilson at a horrible time. www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000550949/Can-t-Miss-Play-Kam-s-knockout-punchWhat would the penalty have been? Detroit ball??? Yes, the penalty carries an automatic first down from the spot of the fumble so it would have been Lions ball first and goal at the 1. |
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Post by hank on Oct 5, 2015 23:50:33 GMT -5
Huge whiff on bat. Dean Blandino speaks here: |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 1:14:58 GMT -5
I guess Greg Wilson's January is now open. What a bad no call. Looked like a bat live to me.
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Post by cj on Oct 6, 2015 8:03:14 GMT -5
Once again the NFL embarrasses itself with failure to implement replay on a game deciding play. I don't want to hear this is not reviewable. That is absolute unadulterated bs. Blandino is monitoring the game in NY and you have a replay official and it's inside 2 minutes. My feeling is the back judge froze and forgot the rule (much like the officials forty years ago on the holy roller play. Blandino has to intercede, tell the replahy official to get the officials together and remind the back judge of the rule and make the correct call. Period. It is for this reason that it is hard to take the NFL and its replay system seriously. If the job is to get the call right, especially on a game deciding play, you get it right. Quite frankly, on the whole, the officiating this year has been putrid. As much as everybody here wishes to defend it, by far NFL officiating is the worst in sports (and again I am not blaming the officials personally, it is the system and inept supervision that is at fault and this myth that ratings determine playoff assignments. This has got to stop.
Also bear in mind this was a turnover so it was reviewed by the replay official presumably talking to Blandino. How can they let this slide' just the embossment of trying to explain how the officials missed this. This was even worse than the Fail Mary call by the replacement officials. Perhaps after the embarrassment of the whole Triplette fiasco in the St. Louis-Seattle game on week 1 when everybody knows the replay official interceded to tell Triplette they had blown it let to a reminder for the replay officials not to interfere even on something as blatant as this. It is just insulting to the fans this can happen in the 21st century and believe me, I could care less who won the game.
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Post by cj on Oct 6, 2015 9:41:24 GMT -5
I guess Greg Wilson's January is now open. What a bad no call. Looked like a bat live to me. But then again, how does Blandino and the replay official get off for letting this go and at the very least, reminding the referee to call a crew conference and remind the back judge of the rule. |
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Post by russ on Oct 6, 2015 10:20:37 GMT -5
Once again the NFL embarrasses itself with failure to implement replay on a game deciding play. I don't want to hear this is not reviewable. That is absolute unadulterated bs. Blandino is monitoring the game in NY and you have a replay official and it's inside 2 minutes. My feeling is the back judge froze and forgot the rule (much like the officials forty years ago on the holy roller play. Blandino has to intercede, tell the replahy official to get the officials together and remind the back judge of the rule and make the correct call. Period. It is for this reason that it is hard to take the NFL and its replay system seriously. If the job is to get the call right, especially on a game deciding play, you get it right. Quite frankly, on the whole, the officiating this year has been putrid. As much as everybody here wishes to defend it, by far NFL officiating is the worst in sports (and again I am not blaming the officials personally, it is the system and inept supervision that is at fault and this myth that ratings determine playoff assignments. This has got to stop. Also bear in mind this was a turnover so it was reviewed by the replay official presumably talking to Blandino. How can they let this slide' just the embossment of trying to explain how the officials missed this. This was even worse than the Fail Mary call by the replacement officials. Perhaps after the embarrassment of the whole Triplette fiasco in the St. Louis-Seattle game on week 1 when everybody knows the replay official interceded to tell Triplette they had blown it let to a reminder for the replay officials not to interfere even on something as blatant as this. It is just insulting to the fans this can happen in the 21st century and believe me, I could care less who won the game. It's not a reviewable play because penalties or potential penalties are not reviewable with exception of 12 men on the field and illegal forward pass. As much as this call was missed I am actually glad it is not reviewable. Making penalties review- able would turn the game into a farce and make them 4.5 hours long. As to the back judge, he might have froze but I doubt he forgot the rule. My guess is that he legitimately thought Wright batted the ball unintentionally. Now he would seem to be wrong in that assessment but I would guess that is what he saw. |
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Post by russ on Oct 6, 2015 10:20:49 GMT -5
I guess Greg Wilson's January is now open. What a bad no call. Looked like a bat live to me. One missed call does not end an Official's playoff chances... |
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Post by checknadvise on Oct 6, 2015 12:23:27 GMT -5
Let's not get too technical here.
If the Seahawks player hadn't touched that ball, would the ball still have ended up out of bounds? Most certainly, yes.
Secondly. What's the reason behind the rule prohibiting batting the ball in any direction in the end zone?
It's so a loose ball in the end zone can't simply be knocked out of the end zone without some consequence.
I'm not going to go over the eight scenarios as to what happens when A or B put the ball in an end zone and A or B subsequently bat.
In this particular play, I would contend that it's best to stay away from calling an illegal bat. Technically, yes, it's a bat. However, it doesn't make sense to the game to make that call.
The ball was going out of bounds. There was nothing that was going to prevent that from happening except if the Seahawks defender had batted it back into the field of play.
The Seahawks safety made a great play at the goal line and the ball was going to end up out of bounds regardless of what the second defender did. Why reward the offense in such a case? Stay away from the ILB.
Use the rules as a guide and you'll be a better official.
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Post by cj on Oct 6, 2015 12:45:19 GMT -5
Once again the NFL embarrasses itself with failure to implement replay on a game deciding play. I don't want to hear this is not reviewable. That is absolute unadulterated bs. Blandino is monitoring the game in NY and you have a replay official and it's inside 2 minutes. My feeling is the back judge froze and forgot the rule (much like the officials forty years ago on the holy roller play. Blandino has to intercede, tell the replahy official to get the officials together and remind the back judge of the rule and make the correct call. Period. It is for this reason that it is hard to take the NFL and its replay system seriously. If the job is to get the call right, especially on a game deciding play, you get it right. Quite frankly, on the whole, the officiating this year has been putrid. As much as everybody here wishes to defend it, by far NFL officiating is the worst in sports (and again I am not blaming the officials personally, it is the system and inept supervision that is at fault and this myth that ratings determine playoff assignments. This has got to stop. Also bear in mind this was a turnover so it was reviewed by the replay official presumably talking to Blandino. How can they let this slide' just the embossment of trying to explain how the officials missed this. This was even worse than the Fail Mary call by the replacement officials. Perhaps after the embarrassment of the whole Triplette fiasco in the St. Louis-Seattle game on week 1 when everybody knows the replay official interceded to tell Triplette they had blown it let to a reminder for the replay officials not to interfere even on something as blatant as this. It is just insulting to the fans this can happen in the 21st century and believe me, I could care less who won the game. It's not a reviewable play because penalties or potential penalties are not reviewable with exception of 12 men on the field and illegal forward pass. As much as this call was missed I am actually glad it is not reviewable. Making penalties review- able would turn the game into a farce and make them 4.5 hours long. As to the back judge, he might have froze but I doubt he forgot the rule. My guess is that he legitimately thought Wright batted the ball unintentionally. Now he would seem to be wrong in that assessment but I would guess that is what he saw. Calls are made as a crew. If, for example the field judge saw the bat even though not his primary responsibility wouldn't he be duty bound to go over to the back judge and consult? The replay official is a member of the crew and by extension Blandino. He sees the play or the replay official sees ghe play, he is duty bound to have the referee call a crew conference and ask the back judge if his ruling was unintentional bat or simply forgot the rule without going under the hood. I'm sorry. This was absolutely blatant and game deciding. There has to be a sense of getting it right especially at the end of a game. If something like this occurs midway in the second quarter, the team still has plenty of time to recover. With 1 minute 45 seconds to play, there is hardly any chance for Detroit to recover. You have to get it right at the end of the game in exteaordinary circumstances which this clerly was. Perhaps Blandino forgot the rule too and didn't realize it till Gerry Austin brought it up. We do see punters or other members of a punting team on blocked kicks sometimes bat the ball over the end line or across the side line in the end zone and some wonder why it isn't called. The answer is a flag should be thrown but in this case the offended team would usually decline the penalty because if the penalty is applied, you give the ball back to the punting team, enforce the penalty (probably half the distance but also could be a full yards if the los was past the 10 and repeat fourth down but technically a flag should be thrown when that happens although often it isn't. I'm sorry guys, it was a disgrace on the part of the back judge, the replay official and Blandino not to intervene no matter what the rules say. |
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Post by tj888 on Oct 6, 2015 13:23:16 GMT -5
I guess Greg Wilson's January is now open. What a bad no call. Looked like a bat live to me. One missed call does not end an Official's playoff chances… If this statement is true, then it is a shame for the NFL Officiating Department. When you make a big of an error Greg Wilson just made (an error that cost a team the game), there should no chance that you should be given a reward at the end of the season. |
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Post by theglenn on Oct 6, 2015 21:19:24 GMT -5
It's not a reviewable play because penalties or potential penalties are not reviewable with exception of 12 men on the field and illegal forward pass. As much as this call was missed I am actually glad it is not reviewable. Making penalties review- able would turn the game into a farce and make them 4.5 hours long. As to the back judge, he might have froze but I doubt he forgot the rule. My guess is that he legitimately thought Wright batted the ball unintentionally. Now he would seem to be wrong in that assessment but I would guess that is what he saw. Calls are made as a crew. If, for example the field judge saw the bat even though not his primary responsibility wouldn't he be duty bound to go over to the back judge and consult? The replay official is a member of the crew and by extension Blandino. He sees the play or the replay official sees ghe play, he is duty bound to have the referee call a crew conference and ask the back judge if his ruling was unintentional bat or simply forgot the rule without going under the hood. I'm sorry. This was absolutely blatant and game deciding. There has to be a sense of getting it right especially at the end of a game. If something like this occurs midway in the second quarter, the team still has plenty of time to recover. With 1 minute 45 seconds to play, there is hardly any chance for Detroit to recover. You have to get it right at the end of the game in exteaordinary circumstances which this clerly was. Perhaps Blandino forgot the rule too and didn't realize it till Gerry Austin brought it up. We do see punters or other members of a punting team on blocked kicks sometimes bat the ball over the end line or across the side line in the end zone and some wonder why it isn't called. The answer is a flag should be thrown but in this case the offended team would usually decline the penalty because if the penalty is applied, you give the ball back to the punting team, enforce the penalty (probably half the distance but also could be a full yards if the los was past the 10 and repeat fourth down but technically a flag should be thrown when that happens although often it isn't. I'm sorry guys, it was a disgrace on the part of the back judge, the replay official and Blandino not to intervene no matter what the rules say. And yet it HAS been called with less evidence during scrums for a loose football. But then there is such a problem with consistency I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone. |
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Post by theglenn on Oct 6, 2015 21:20:48 GMT -5
Calls are made as a crew. If, for example the field judge saw the bat even though not his primary responsibility wouldn't he be duty bound to go over to the back judge and consult? The replay official is a member of the crew and by extension Blandino. He sees the play or the replay official sees ghe play, he is duty bound to have the referee call a crew conference and ask the back judge if his ruling was unintentional bat or simply forgot the rule without going under the hood. I'm sorry. This was absolutely blatant and game deciding. There has to be a sense of getting it right especially at the end of a game. If something like this occurs midway in the second quarter, the team still has plenty of time to recover. With 1 minute 45 seconds to play, there is hardly any chance for Detroit to recover. You have to get it right at the end of the game in exteaordinary circumstances which this clerly was. Perhaps Blandino forgot the rule too and didn't realize it till Gerry Austin brought it up. We do see punters or other members of a punting team on blocked kicks sometimes bat the ball over the end line or across the side line in the end zone and some wonder why it isn't called. The answer is a flag should be thrown but in this case the offended team would usually decline the penalty because if the penalty is applied, you give the ball back to the punting team, enforce the penalty (probably half the distance but also could be a full yards if the los was past the 10 and repeat fourth down but technically a flag should be thrown when that happens although often it isn't. I'm sorry guys, it was a disgrace on the part of the back judge, the replay official and Blandino not to intervene no matter what the rules say. And yet it HAS been called with less evidence during scrums for a loose football. But then there is such a problem with consistency I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone. "Potentially" cost the team the game. They still had to score. |
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