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Post by russ on Mar 25, 2018 1:25:09 GMT -5
Elite 8:
3/24
Atlanta
(11) Loyola (CHI) vs (9) Kansas State: Terry Wymer (Big Ten, AAC, MAC); Last Season: Sweet 16 Bert Smith (ACC, Big 12, MVC); Last Season: Round of 64 Gerry Pollard (Big 12, MVC, C-USA); Last Season: Round of 64
Los Angeles
(9) Florida State vs (3) Michigan: Randy McCall (MWC, Pac-12, WCC); Last Season: Elite 8 John Gaffney (Big East, ACC, Big Ten); Last Season: Sweet 16 Keith Kimble (Big 12, Big Ten, SEC); Last Season: Elite 8
3/25
Boston
(3) Texas Tech vs (1) Villanova: Michael Stephens (Big East, ACC, AAC); Last Season: National Championship Mike Reed (Pac-12, MWC, WCC); Last Season: Elite 8 Terry Ogelsby (Big Ten, AAC, SEC); Last Season: Elite 8
Omaha
(2) Duke vs (1) Kansas: Doug Sirmons (Big 12, AAC, SEC); Last Season: Final 4 Roger Ayers (ACC, Big 12, Big East); Last Season: Sweet 16 Jeff Anderson (Big East, ACC, MAAC); Last Season: Final 4
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Post by russ on Mar 25, 2018 22:44:03 GMT -5
Tournament Changes from 2017
First Round/First Four:
Officials Returning to Tournament Action Wally Rutecki, Sean Hull, Tim Comer
Officials Recieving their first Tournament Assignment Courtney Green, D.G. Nelson, Brooks Wells, Chuck Jones, Rob Kueuneman, Justin Porterfield
Officials Not Receiving an Assignment that did in 2017 Ted Valentine (Punishment for Joel Berry Incident), Les Jones, Olandis Poole, Mike Scyphers, Mike Nance, Rick Crawford, Gary Prager (Did not Work All Season), Ray Acosta (NBA), Sean Casey
Round of 32:
Officials Returning to the Round of 32 D.J. Carstensen, Bert Smith, Gerry Pollard, Michael Greenstein
Officials Receiving Their First Round of 32 Assignment Rob Riley, Tony Henderson, Tony Chiazza
Officials Down From the Round of 32 Ted Valentine, Ed Corbett, Mike Roberts, Lamar Simpson, Greg Nixon, Gene Steratore, Jeb Hartness
Sweet 16
Officials Returning to The Sweet 16 Pat Driscoll, Jeff Clark, Ray Natili, Chris Rastatter, Michael Irving
Officials Receiving Their First Sweet 16 Assignment Anthony Jordan, Larry Scirotto, Brent Hampton
Officials Down From the Sweet 16/Elite 8 Ted Valentine,John Higgins, Doug Shows, James Breeding, Brian O'Connell, Lamar Simpson, Tim Clougherty, Gene Steratore, Eric Curry, Jeb Hartness
Elite 8
Officials Returning to The Elite 8 Terry Wymer, Doug Sirmons, Roger Ayers, John Gaffney
Officials New to the Elite 8 Bert Smith, Gerry Pollard
Officials Down From The Elite 8 Ted Valentine, John Higgins, Mike Eades, Ron Groover, James Breeding, Kipp Kissinger
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Post by russ on Mar 25, 2018 22:49:10 GMT -5
John Higgins had his streak of 9 straight Sweet 16's or Elite 8's snap. He also will miss the Final 4 for the first time since 2012. I am pretty certain both him and Doug Shows were done after the Round of 32 due to this: www.al.com/auburnbasketball/index.ssf/2018/03/ncaa_auburns_jared_harper_was.htmlIn JD Collins 3 seasons at the helm he has punished entire crews for administrative errors in tournament games. Shows was the CC of the crew that let the wrong free throw shooter to the line to end this game and Higgins was the alternate Official. Keeping with Collins past precedent all 3 Officials plus the alternate will not move on if they have an administrative error. The same thing happened during Wisconsin-Villanova last year. Collins doesn;t care how good you have been in past seasons, if you mess up something that is administrative or rules you will be done.
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Post by sab2423 on Mar 26, 2018 7:41:59 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the 10 Final Four officials will all come from the Elite Elite? So basically all but 2 of the guys from this weekend, is that the way it's done?
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Post by russ on Mar 26, 2018 8:00:02 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the 10 Final Four officials will all come from the Elite Elite? So basically all but 2 of the guys from this weekend, is that the way it's done? No, the 10 Officials come from the Elite 8 and Sweet 16. However you have to have worked an Elite 8 before a Final 4 so some of the guys who worked the Sweet 16 are not eligible.
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Post by russ on Mar 26, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -5
For Reference Here are the Eligible Officials for the Final 4: 12 Elite 8 Officials Verne Harris Mike Eades Pat Driscoll Jamie Luckie Pat Adams Tony Padilla Ron Groover Jeff Clark *Mike Roberts *Ray Natili *Chris Rastatter *Don Daily *Kipp Kissinger
* Means they have not yet worked on the court for the Final 4. From the Elite 8 Gaffney, Kimble, Reed, and Ogelsby have not yet worked a Final 4 plus obviously the 2 new guys Smith and Pollard. Sometimes the standby Officials for the Final 4 will have not yet worked and Elite 8. That happened with Brian Dorsey 2 years ago. If when the list comes out it includes an Official not listed here that Official will be the standby for all 3 games.
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Post by russ on Mar 26, 2018 9:11:50 GMT -5
John Higgins had his streak of 9 straight Sweet 16's or Elite 8's snap. He also will miss the Final 4 for the first time since 2012. I am pretty certain both him and Doug Shows were done after the Round of 32 due to this: www.al.com/auburnbasketball/index.ssf/2018/03/ncaa_auburns_jared_harper_was.htmlIn JD Collins 3 seasons at the helm he has punished entire crews for administrative errors in tournament games. Shows was the CC of the crew that let the wrong free throw shooter to the line to end this game and Higgins was the alternate Official. Keeping with Collins past precedent all 3 Officials plus the alternate will not move on if they have an administrative error. The same thing happened during Wisconsin-Villanova last year. Collins doesn;t care how good you have been in past seasons, if you mess up something that is administrative or rules you will be done. Here is Jeff Goodman confirming my suspicion, that Higgins and Shows did not work last weekend due to allowing Auburn to use the incorrect free throw shooter at the end of the game. It shows you that even if the game seems over, you have to be on your toes and pay attention. It can get even the best Officials into trouble. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22916647/top-referee-john-higgins-work-final-four
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Post by sab2423 on Mar 26, 2018 13:08:23 GMT -5
Just to confirm, the 10 Final Four officials will all come from the Elite Elite? So basically all but 2 of the guys from this weekend, is that the way it's done? No, the 10 Officials come from the Elite 8 and Sweet 16. However you have to have worked an Elite 8 before a Final 4 so some of the guys who worked the Sweet 16 are not eligible. Ahhh, that makes more sense, thanks.
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Post by FredFan7 on Mar 26, 2018 13:55:39 GMT -5
This accountability is good. It keeps officials on their toes, makes them bear down, study the rules, etc.
But, there is a fine line where this turns into negative reinforcement and the officials start calling the games scared.
We're not there yet...but.....
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Post by zebrablog on Mar 26, 2018 14:36:32 GMT -5
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Post by bkstripes on Mar 27, 2018 18:43:25 GMT -5
For Reference Here are the Eligible Officials for the Final 4: 12 Elite 8 Officials Verne Harris Mike Eades Pat Driscoll Jamie Luckie Pat Adams Tony Padilla Ron Groover Jeff Clark *Mike Roberts *Ray Natili *Chris Rastatter *Don Daily *Kipp Kissinger * Means they have not yet worked on the court for the Final 4. From the Elite 8 Gaffney, Kimble, Reed, and Ogelsby have not yet worked a Final 4 plus obviously the 2 new guys Smith and Pollard. Sometimes the standby Officials for the Final 4 will have not yet worked and Elite 8. That happened with Brian Dorsey 2 years ago. If when the list comes out it includes an Official not listed here that Official will be the standby for all 3 games. Did Anderson, Ayers, McCall, Oglesbly, Sirmons, Stevens and Wymer all work the Sweet 16 that is why they were eligible for the Final Four? What was the other names that were eligible from the Sweet 16 round?
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Post by tj888 on Mar 27, 2018 19:48:38 GMT -5
For Reference Here are the Eligible Officials for the Final 4: 12 Elite 8 Officials Verne Harris Mike Eades Pat Driscoll Jamie Luckie Pat Adams Tony Padilla Ron Groover Jeff Clark *Mike Roberts *Ray Natili *Chris Rastatter *Don Daily *Kipp Kissinger * Means they have not yet worked on the court for the Final 4. From the Elite 8 Gaffney, Kimble, Reed, and Ogelsby have not yet worked a Final 4 plus obviously the 2 new guys Smith and Pollard. Sometimes the standby Officials for the Final 4 will have not yet worked and Elite 8. That happened with Brian Dorsey 2 years ago. If when the list comes out it includes an Official not listed here that Official will be the standby for all 3 games. Did Anderson, Ayers, McCall, Oglesbly, Sirmons, Stevens and Wymer all work the Sweet 16 that is why they were eligible for the Final Four? What was the other names that were eligible from the Sweet 16 round? Anderson, McCall, Oglesby, Sirmons, Wymer, and Stevens all worked the Elite 8 which Is where most of the Final Four officials come from.
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Post by russ on Mar 27, 2018 21:12:05 GMT -5
For Reference Here are the Eligible Officials for the Final 4: 12 Elite 8 Officials Verne Harris Mike Eades Pat Driscoll Jamie Luckie Pat Adams Tony Padilla Ron Groover Jeff Clark *Mike Roberts *Ray Natili *Chris Rastatter *Don Daily *Kipp Kissinger * Means they have not yet worked on the court for the Final 4. From the Elite 8 Gaffney, Kimble, Reed, and Ogelsby have not yet worked a Final 4 plus obviously the 2 new guys Smith and Pollard. Sometimes the standby Officials for the Final 4 will have not yet worked and Elite 8. That happened with Brian Dorsey 2 years ago. If when the list comes out it includes an Official not listed here that Official will be the standby for all 3 games. Did Anderson, Ayers, McCall, Oglesbly, Sirmons, Stevens and Wymer all work the Sweet 16 that is why they were eligible for the Final Four? What was the other names that were eligible from the Sweet 16 round? No, all of them worked the Elite 8. I didn't list the Elite 8 Officials because working an Eloite 8 means you are eligible for the Final 4. Everyone listed above worked the Sweet 16.
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Post by mike on Mar 27, 2018 21:15:56 GMT -5
This accountability is good. It keeps officials on their toes, makes them bear down, study the rules, etc. But, there is a fine line where this turns into negative reinforcement and the officials start calling the games scared. We're not there yet...but..... I don’t think we are anywhere close. We are not talking about calling a block versus a charge on a bang bang play. We are talking about misapplication or rules comparable to giving a team a 5th Down in football or not catching a clearly erroneous clock. I like that nobody is immune from the accountability. Part of the problem the NFL has is that officials who consistently rate poorly there doesn’t seem to be any consequences.
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Post by russ on Mar 27, 2018 21:18:20 GMT -5
Final 4 Official's- Bold Means they Worked the Championship
Michael Stephens- 5 Final 4's (11,14,15,16,17) Randy McCall- 4 Final 4's (04,05,10,13) Doug Sirmons- 4 Final 4's (13,14,15,17) Terry Wymer- 3 Final 4's (13,14,16) Roger Ayers- 1 Final 4 (16) Jeff Anderson- 1 Final 4 (17) Mike Roberts- 0 Final 4's Keith Kimble- 0 Final 4's Terry Ogelsby- 0 Final 4's Kipp Kissinger- 0 Final 4's
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