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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 3, 2023 12:53:50 GMT -5
One things for certain- the ACC will get the NC for the third straight year.
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Post by zebrastripes on Dec 3, 2023 13:10:54 GMT -5
SEC and PAC-12 got the semis last year so you’d think Big Ten and Big 12 would get them this year, though I’m not sure it always works like that. But if that does end up being the case, my guesses:
Rose Bowl (Michigan vs. Alabama): Michael Vandervelde Sugar Bowl (Washington vs. Texas): Larry Smith National Championship Game: Stuart Mullins
If the SEC gets the Sugar Bowl my guess is Matt Loeffler. If the PAC-12 gets the Rose Bowl my guess is Mike McCabe.
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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 3, 2023 13:20:40 GMT -5
For me Flanagan gets the natty. Consistently one of the best refs in college football. However Magallanes, Johnson and Mullins also are good choices.
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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 3, 2023 13:26:47 GMT -5
In terms of the Big 12, Vandervelde, Alvarez and Mar. Preferably the first two. Big ten is the toughest- Larry Smith, Snodgrass, McGinn, Klucynski, and Coyte all are great. Servinski as well, although he got the Championship. Pac-12 is between Duddy and McCabe, and I suspect it’ll go to McCabe. SEC- another tough one. Could see Autrey, Marlowe, David Smith, Williamson, Or Loeffler.
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Post by zebrablog on Dec 3, 2023 23:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by agpennypacker on Dec 4, 2023 1:08:32 GMT -5
My predictions for the NY6 and the National Championship Game:
Cotton Bowl: Kevin Mar Peach Bowl: Mark Duddy Orange Bowl: Mark Kluczynski Fiesta Bowl: Scott Walker Rose Bowl: David Alvarez Sugar Bowl: Jerry McGinn National Championship Game: Jeff Flanagan
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Post by russ on Dec 4, 2023 13:34:05 GMT -5
My Bowl Game Guesses:
ACC: National Championship- Gary Patterson Citrus- Stuart Mullins Guaranteed Rate- Jeff Heaser Independence- Jeff Flanagan LA- Marcus Woods
AAC: Quick Lane- Nate Black Armed Forces- Tim Rich New Orleans- Kevin Randall Camellia- Edwin Lee
Big Ten: Sugar- Jerry McGinn Orange- Larry Smith Pop Tarts- Ron Snodgrass Texas- Chris Coyte Mayo- Greg Blum
Big 12: Rose- Mike VanderVelde Cotton- Derek Anderson Music City- Kevin Mar Las Vegas- David Alvarez Fenway- Tuta Salaam
C-USA: First Responder- Rodney Burnette Cure- Rory Bernard Frisco- Joe Lehring
MAC: Hawaii- Jeremy Valentine Potato- Greg Sujack Toastery- Billy Williams
MWC: Birmingham- Cal McNeill 68 Ventures- Mike Cuttone Myrtle Beach- Patrick Foy Celebration- Christian Watson
Pac-12: Peach- Mike McCabe Reliaquest- Mark Duddy Gator- Matt Richards Pinstripe- Chris Wiggins Gasparilla- Justin Elliott
SEC: Fiesta- Steve Marlowe Alamo- Jason Autrey Sun- Matt Loeffler Holiday- David Smith Liberty- Scott Walker
Sun Belt: Military- Ted Pitts Arizona- Trennis Livingston Boca Raton- Marshall Lewis New Mexico- Jay Edwards
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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 4, 2023 13:42:32 GMT -5
The Big 12 rarely doubles up, so I have doubts that Anderson gets the nod. I think Kevin Mar is a more likely ref if you want a newcomer.
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Post by russ on Dec 4, 2023 13:48:20 GMT -5
The Big 12 rarely doubles up, so I have doubts that Anderson gets the nod. I think Kevin Mar is a more likely ref if you want a newcomer. Big 12 will often double up, the only times they didn't were in 2019 and 2021. The Referee position is the only one that has ever not doubled up. The other 7 who work the Big 12 Championship always work a Bowl Game as well and the Referee more often than not does as well. 2022- Mar Big 12 Champ and Citrus 2021- Cruse Big 12 Champ Only 2020- Alvarez Big 12 Champ and Sugar 2019- Defee Big 12 Champ Only 2018- Smith Big 12 Champ and Redbox 2017- Defee Big 12 Champ and Fiesta
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Post by russ on Dec 4, 2023 13:51:22 GMT -5
Looks like you are missing the Sun Bowl on your list. Based on the SEC having only 4 assignments listed I am going to guess they also have the Sun Bowl.
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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 4, 2023 13:53:19 GMT -5
The Big 12 rarely doubles up, so I have doubts that Anderson gets the nod. I think Kevin Mar is a more likely ref if you want a newcomer. Big 12 will often double up, the only times they didn't were in 2019 and 2021. The Referee position is the only one that has ever not doubled up. The other 7 who work the Big 12 Championship always work a Bowl Game as well and the Referee more often than not does as well. 2022- Mar Big 12 Champ and Citrus 2021- Cruse Big 12 Champ Only 2020- Alvarez Big 12 Champ and Sugar 2019- Defee Big 12 Champ Only 2018- Smith Big 12 Champ and Redbox 2017- Defee Big 12 Champ and Fiesta Sorry- I meant for the NY6. Anderson will probably get a bowl, but doubtful he gets a NY6. Defee was a exception, and Alvarez did in 20, but that was a unique season.
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Post by agpennypacker on Dec 5, 2023 13:45:56 GMT -5
Mike VanderVelde worked the Rose Bowl last year. Is there any precedent for a Referee getting a conference’s NY6 assignment two years in a row?
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Post by russ on Dec 5, 2023 14:35:16 GMT -5
Mike VanderVelde worked the Rose Bowl last year. Is there any precedent for a Referee getting a conference’s NY6 assignment two years in a row? It happens quite a bit although you don't usually see it with the same game. The fact that it is a semifinal is the reason I am going with VanderVelde. I think in the semifinals you truly want your top ranked guys at each position even if some of them just worked that same game last year. While not a Referee I distinctly remember Tyrone Anderson worked both the 2016 and 2017 Rose Bowl's as a CJ. 2016 it was just a NY6 game and in 2017 it was a semifinal. The 2017 and 2018 Cotton Bowl had 7 of the 8 same Officials with the only change being David Smith at Referee in 2017 and Matt Austin in 2018. 2107 it was not a semi and 2018 it was. Frank Villar and Kevin Kieser also worked the 2017 and 2018 Sugar Bowl. As for a Referee getting a Conference's BY6 Assignment 2 years in a row it has happened countless times. Flanagan in both 2014/2015 and 2019/2020, Mullins in 2018 and 2019, Coyte in 2019 and 2020, Clark in 2016 and 2017, Snodgrass 2021 and 2022, Capron 2016 and 2017, Autrey and Marlowe in 2021 and 2022, Cruse 2019 and 2020, Defee 2016, 2017 and 2018. Clark even worked the semi's in both 2016 and 2017 and Capron worked Semi's in 2016 and National Championship in 2017.
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Post by Penn State fan on Dec 5, 2023 15:07:09 GMT -5
Mike VanderVelde worked the Rose Bowl last year. Is there any precedent for a Referee getting a conference’s NY6 assignment two years in a row? It happens quite a bit although you don't usually see it with the same game. The fact that it is a semifinal is the reason I am going with VanderVelde. I think in the semifinals you truly want your top ranked guys at each position even if some of them just worked that same game last year. While not a Referee I distinctly remember Tyrone Anderson worked both the 2016 and 2017 Rose Bowl's as a CJ. 2016 it was just a NY6 game and in 2017 it was a semifinal. The 2017 and 2018 Cotton Bowl had 7 of the 8 same Officials with the only change being David Smith at Referee in 2017 and Matt Austin in 2018. 2107 it was not a semi and 2018 it was. Frank Villar and Kevin Kieser also worked the 2017 and 2018 Sugar Bowl. As for a Referee getting a Conference's BY6 Assignment 2 years in a row it has happened countless times. Flanagan in both 2014/2015 and 2019/2020, Mullins in 2018 and 2019, Coyte in 2019 and 2020, Clark in 2016 and 2017, Snodgrass 2021 and 2022, Capron 2016 and 2017, Autrey and Marlowe in 2021 and 2022, Cruse 2019 and 2020, Defee 2016, 2017 and 2018. Clark even worked the semi's in both 2016 and 2017 and Capron worked Semi's in 2016 and National Championship in 2017. The only exception to this is the NC. I think Steve Shaw was the only ref back in 2000 and 2004 that got 2 NCs. The standard probably is way higher for officials the year after they work a NC, so doubt Heaser gets it.
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Post by russ on Dec 5, 2023 15:27:35 GMT -5
It happens quite a bit although you don't usually see it with the same game. The fact that it is a semifinal is the reason I am going with VanderVelde. I think in the semifinals you truly want your top ranked guys at each position even if some of them just worked that same game last year. While not a Referee I distinctly remember Tyrone Anderson worked both the 2016 and 2017 Rose Bowl's as a CJ. 2016 it was just a NY6 game and in 2017 it was a semifinal. The 2017 and 2018 Cotton Bowl had 7 of the 8 same Officials with the only change being David Smith at Referee in 2017 and Matt Austin in 2018. 2107 it was not a semi and 2018 it was. Frank Villar and Kevin Kieser also worked the 2017 and 2018 Sugar Bowl. As for a Referee getting a Conference's BY6 Assignment 2 years in a row it has happened countless times. Flanagan in both 2014/2015 and 2019/2020, Mullins in 2018 and 2019, Coyte in 2019 and 2020, Clark in 2016 and 2017, Snodgrass 2021 and 2022, Capron 2016 and 2017, Autrey and Marlowe in 2021 and 2022, Cruse 2019 and 2020, Defee 2016, 2017 and 2018. Clark even worked the semi's in both 2016 and 2017 and Capron worked Semi's in 2016 and National Championship in 2017. The only exception to this is the NC. I think Steve Shaw was the only ref back in 2000 and 2004 that got 2 NCs. The standard probably is way higher for officials the year after they work a NC, so doubt Heaser gets it. Yeah that almost never happens. Dave Witvoet did get the National Championship in 2000 and 2005 but that's the last time it has happened. There have been some non Referees who have done back to back like Ed Feaster and John Hayes in 2017 and 2018 but it rarely happens with Referee. I also would not expect Jeff Heaser to work the NC unless his grades were so far ahead of everybody else that no one else would qualify. But I highly doubt that is the case.
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