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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 26, 2011 21:03:35 GMT -5
bit.ly/fku5JQDave Schultz and a Bruin get locked up in the Stanley Cup Finals. D'Amico is #9, Matt Pavelich (the first linesman inducted into the HOF) is #7 and ducking as the Bruin player is throwing haymakers over his head. Who is the Referee #6? Uvardi? Skov? Great job by D'Amico to talk Schultz down.
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Post by cj on Apr 26, 2011 23:33:59 GMT -5
We get the briefest glimpses of the referee (#6) but from the very very brief glimpse, I think it's Dave Newell. It is long long past the era of Frak Udvari and Art Skov wore #4 for a good part of his career but was #1 by the end of his career as he moved up the chain....Ron Wicks wore #6 for a while too butI really don't think it's him. I'm pretty sure it's Dave Newell.
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 27, 2011 0:35:39 GMT -5
There was footage of the game and #6 was identified as Newell.
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Post by cj on Apr 27, 2011 4:14:12 GMT -5
Do I know my NHL refs or do I know my NHL refs. Of course that was a time when there was only one referee, the proper way to adjudicate an ice hockey match with consistancy and the referees were allowed to inject some of their personality into the game, not the homogenized robots leagues want today. I couldn't tell yo Kevin Pollock (a brilliant call in last night's Canadien Bruin game that almost cost Canadens the game and we were told the 2 referee system was meant to prevent tht kind of call; hogwash) from Brad Watson from Wes McCauley....of course the helmets don't help matters either.
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 27, 2011 9:17:16 GMT -5
Paul Devorski had a great call in the third period in last night's Blackhawks-Canucks game where he awarded a penalty shot to Vancouver. McCauley is #4, same as his dad, but that's about all I know.
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2011 10:22:39 GMT -5
Here's footage of D'Amico and Newell from another game in another year. Ray Scapinello is also in on the game. Those officials had to work hard to keep things under control. Newell was abused in that game. A Flyer "missed" a check on an opponent and ended up checking Newell. Looked intentional on my part. In the melee his fingers were injured and and the camera zoomed in on it as he was sorting out the penalties.
I like old-time hockey, but this was a mess and unacceptable.
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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2011 15:00:08 GMT -5
Newell refereed a few games which ended in conditions such as you saw in the second clip. For whatever the reason, he would try to keep tempers down by calling a very tight game yet somehow despite this many of his games broke out. On the other hand, Wally Harris, a contemporary of Newell, was always noted as a calling a very loose game. You hit him, he hit you, now you boys are even. Let's play hockey whereas Newell would tend to send both players off, leaving them seething in the penalty box what have you. Newell's games would end in riots, Harris' games hardly ever. Just coincidence? I don't think so.....
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2011 16:25:19 GMT -5
Newell refereed a few games whikch ended in conditions such as you saw in the second clip. For whatever the reason, he would try to keep tempers down by calling a very tight game yet somehow despite this many of his games broke out. On the other hand, Wally Harris, a contemporary of Newell, was always noted as a calling a very loose game. You hit him, he hit you, now you boys are even. Let's play hockey whereas Newell would tend to send both players off, leaving them seething in the penalty box what have you. Newell's games would end in riots, Harris' games hardly ever. Just coincidence? I don't think so..... It also seemed like the players had more disregard for the linesmen once they locked up the players. The players still wrestled with the linesmen to break away and continue fighting.
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Post by impz45 on Apr 28, 2011 17:04:20 GMT -5
Let's not forget "Let Em Loose" Bruce (Hood).
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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2011 17:16:09 GMT -5
Also, rules were changed. The second clip has a bench clearing brawl. You don't see the benches clear any more (I think the tape is from a Toronto Flyer playoff series at Maple Leaf Gardens) because the fins are very severe against the coach and the organizations.
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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2011 17:22:02 GMT -5
Hood wrote a book and spent a lot of time describing a brawl between Quebec and Montreal at the end of a period where he allowed the teams to go to the dressing rooms while he figured out the penalties but instead of informing the teams who was being assessed a game misconduct while they were in the intermission, he allowed them to return to the ice for the next period and that led to further brawling for which the NHL office blamed him and Hood claimed he was never given top assignments after that. It was also following that season that the NHL dropped the numbering of the referees based on seniority and just put their names on the back of their stripes (numbering was later resumed)...and Hood always claimed it was done to embarass him as by that time he was the senior referee in the league, wearing number 1 and that the league didn't want him to be #1.
Personally, I always liked the way Wally Harris worked a game. The statistics showed what we all could see namely there were fewer penalties in his games and a much better flow to the game as nothing disrupts an ice hockey match more than calling a marginal penalty. If in doubt, let them play which does seem what has happened in the NHL this season as we saw more games where there weren't all that many penalties; in a way showing the NHL had gone overboard after the lockout with its strict enforcement of restraining fouls which led to to many choppy games. However, the league denies this claiming players have become more used to the stricter enforcement and are being more careful. You can form your own judgments.
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2011 18:37:46 GMT -5
Hood wrote a book and spent a lot of time describing a brawl between Quebec and Montreal at the end of a period where he allowed the teams to go to the dressing rooms while he figured out the penalties but instead of informing the teams who was being assessed a game misconduct while they were in the intermission, he allowed them to return to the ice for the next period and that led to further brawling for which the NHL office blamed him and Hood claimed he was never given top assignments after that. It was also following that season that the NHL dropped the numbering of the referees based on seniority and just put their names on the back of their stripes (numbering was later resumed)...and Hood always claimed it was done to embarass him as by that time he was the senior referee in the league, wearing number 1 and that the league didn't want him to be #1. The brawl you refer to is the Good Friday Brawl. Here's the lowlights. The officials are Hood, D'Amico, and Hodges.
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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2011 20:30:03 GMT -5
I got my history wrong, though. Note they had already stripped the officials of numbers...but as I remember, Hood did make a point that he always felt they had changed the system to take away his number 1 but apparently this brawl was not the reason......
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2011 20:36:53 GMT -5
I think this may have been Hood's last game or next-to-last. He retired after that season, either by choice or by request.
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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2011 20:48:39 GMT -5
...I think it's in the same set there is a brawl shown between Boston and Canadiens from a slightly earlier time......the referee was #1 John Ashley....linesmen were #8 Neil Armstrong (not the astronaut) and #22 M. Claude Bechard as the Montreal Canadien PA announcer userd to refer to him....out of that brawl came a minor penalty, which was actually on the play and six major penalties for fighting for a total of 32 minutes!
Also on the Good Friday brawl, for the life of me when I first heard the tape at the beginning, I thought Danny Gallivan was doing the play by play but evidently it was Bob Cole as the color guy kept referring to him as Bob. But they sure sounded very much a like!
I guess in those days, the standard was to let the boys be boys, eh.
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