[NHL] Puck Thrown Into Net - Goal Allowed

[FredFan7]

Dennis Morel the referee. Brad Lazrowich and Mark Pare are the linesman. The linesmen had to save Morel after his call and subsequent phone call to the goal judge.

Wow.............

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[JugglingReferee]

The Jets won, so I'm happy.


Its' quite obvious that the 2-referee system is better. This would not have been a goal with 2 Rs because the illegal action would have been clearly seen.

[cj]

It would have been no goal today because the Toronto people wold have had all feeds of the game and would have seen the illegal action. Unlike the NFL, Tornto can do most anything it wants in regards to disputed goals. Morel was on top of the play and even in the silly two referee system, it would have been his call anyway but I am sure ir would have reversed the call not the 2nd referee who's always getting in the way.

[Deleted]

The second referee has been great for getting stuff away from the puck or on the blind side of play away from the other referee.

Making one referee skate end to end and only having (essentially) one person on the ice who can call penalties is something they improved on greatly in the NHL.

And how does the second referee get in the way? He's at center ice, after all.

[cj]

I've seen many plays where the player breaking out of hi zone has to slow down to avoid the 2nd referee or he's down deep as the puck comes into the zone. Linesmen over the years were given the ability to call many of the penalties except essentially the routine minor penalty on the play and it worked. I once heard Ron Wicks interviewed about this and his point, and I agree with it, you don't want some hot shot rookie overruling a non call say based on years of experience. For a while, there were too many ticky tack penalties being called and too many cases where an experienced referee close to a play let some marginal thing go and the butt insky from center ice, shows him up. I just can't imagine Red Storey or Eddie Powers or Frank Udvari or Bill Chadwick or Art Skov or Lloyd Gilmour or Bill Friday or Ron Wicks or Bob Myers working with a second referee. Withonly one referee, you get consistancy at both ends of the ice. Those of us who have watched the sport for a while almost unanimously agree there was never a need for a second referee. (Earlier this year, Red Fisher, one of the deans of the hockey writing fraternity, in one of his columns made mince meat out of an idiotic comment by Bill Daile, one of Bettman's assistants, how wonderful it was to have two referees. This is a case of more not being better, not by a long shot.

[FredFan7]

Speaking of Ron Wicks, here's a story about NHL officiating from 1982.

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[JugglingReferee]

Mar 1, 2011 10:56:05 GMT -5 @richmsn said:

The second referee has been great for getting stuff away from the puck or on the blind side of play away from the other referee.

Making one referee skate end to end and only having (essentially) one person on the ice who can call penalties is something they improved on greatly in the NHL.

And how does the second referee get in the way? He's at center ice, after all.

This I wonder about too. I've been attending CHL hockey games for nearly 10 years, and many years with season's tickets.

I've seen the 1-R system there and the 2-R system. They simply are very good as predicting the play. But probably once every other game, the centre-ice R while skating backwards, didn't get a good jump on the transition and got caught up in the play in some manner that affects the skating decisions of the attacker. And fwiw, I see it in the NHL too.

Even at last night's CHL game, there was a hand-pass that was picked up by the centre-ice R and the near Linesman. It happened on the side opposite the deep R, right beside the net. It was a great call because the action was subtle, but completely unfair.