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Post by nyasablue on Nov 7, 2011 9:04:42 GMT -5
Just a quick question for any of you: It looked like to me that Winter kind of bollixed up the signal on the grounding in the end zone - should he have just announced, "Intentional grounding, number 10 (or whatever), offense. Infraction occurred in the end zone, by rule, that is a safety." He instead also signaled and announced loss of down - which is superfluous, correct? Meanwhile, even though it was a chilly day in Buffalo, Hochuli had his crew wearing the knickers, where Carey and half a dozen others would have whipped the leisure pants on...
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 7, 2011 9:32:45 GMT -5
Just a quick question for any of you: It looked like to me that Winter kind of bollixed up the signal on the grounding in the end zone - should he have just announced, "Intentional grounding, number 10 (or whatever), offense. Infraction occurred in the end zone, by rule, that is a safety." He instead also signaled and announced loss of down - which is superfluous, correct? I caught that too. He recovered, though.
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Post by mike on Nov 7, 2011 9:36:24 GMT -5
From the glimpses I caught of Winter's performance in the highlights it looks like he did a lot better with Corrente's crew and he did not have the outpouring of questionable penalties that has plagued him all year. I think Carl Johnson would be wise to break up that crew for 2012
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Post by cj on Nov 7, 2011 16:26:10 GMT -5
Walt Coleman's crew blew a few non-calls and reviews. 1st in the 2nd quarter #84 was grabbed around the waist no PI called. The reversal on #86 Ward he had the ball only when he was on this back another player # 31 hit him and the ball came out. Helmet to helmet no call when #51 Lewis hit Ward with helmet to helmet. Later call helmet to helmet on #25 of the Steelers. Last play of the game#82 & #22 were going at it down the sidelines, however #82 definately pushed off to get the seperation and no flag on #82. I'll give Col\emans crew a 2. It almost seemed they were all letting pushing off go all day. Comment on by Pderiera in his review of plays of the week at least the one on the Jet receiver. Also might have been a push off on the Pat go ahead touchdown before the Manning last td in the Pat game.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 8, 2011 13:43:07 GMT -5
Doesn't a false start with the clock running in the final minute of the 1st half result in a 10 second runoff? Riveron did not wind the clock or charge Cleveland with a timeout. Pereira addresses that question. If the foul occurred in the final :60 that caused the clock to stop, it would appear that Riveron made an error. Which penalties result in a 10-second run off? 1:35 They have to be inside of one minute of either half and they have to be a false start, intentional grounding, or a QB beyond the line when he throws a pass. There are others but these three are the most common.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 22:23:54 GMT -5
There was a pretty bad error by Riveron's crew in the Browns-Texans game Sunday. Although the game was decided by then, there would have been hell if this was a high profile game.
In the 4th quarter the Browns had a first and goal at the five-yard line. The first play was a run for about two yards, putting the ball near the three-yard line. The next play Colt McCoy was flushed from the pocket and was chased out of bounds by Texans DE JJ Watt near the five-yard line for a loss of two yards. However, the officials placed the ball at the two-yard line, giving the Browns three free yards. The Browns scored a TD on the next play.
There were a few questionable ball placements in that game. The above example being the most obvious. Other times the runner would be about half a yard or less from the line to gain. Without measuring, the officials would always give it a first down.
Very strange game by the officials. Maybe they had a flight to catch or something.
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Post by mike on Nov 9, 2011 6:40:07 GMT -5
Regarding ball placements, the yellow line used by TV channels is woefully inadequate and all that is needed is for the very tip of the ball to be at or beyond the yardage to gain and half a yard or less sounds like the length of a football
Getting to the run by McCoy if he made it to the 2 then was forced back not by his own choosing forward progress would put it at the 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 14:18:53 GMT -5
McCoy was never near the two-yard line. He was lucky to make it to the five. Riveron followed McCoy as he was scrambling just like a referee is supposed to do. When McCoy went out of bounds Riveron put his foot right on the five-yard line to indicate that's where he step out.
I know the yellow line is unofficial. I look at the sticks to determine whether it's a first down or not.
There was one play where Arian Foster was clearly half a yard short. Ian Eagle even said Foster [paraphrase] "appears short of the first down." No measurement of any kind, the officials gave him a first down. In another play the Browns had a 4th and 1. They ran the ball and I thought they didn't make it or at the very least made it by a little bit. Again, no measurement. There were a couple other questionable ball placements, but I'm not here to berate the officials. I was just pointing out my observations of that game.
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