marvin
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Post by marvin on Mar 8, 2021 17:29:17 GMT -5
Reading some of the comments, I did omit Gordon McCarter. I think he probably merited consideration for a Super Bowl. He was very good on the mic, but just never seemed to be a playoff regular.
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Post by wjl on Mar 9, 2021 17:22:51 GMT -5
Gordon McCarter was competing with Tunney, Dreith, Haggerty, Cashion and Markbreit and also Heberling, Seeman and McElwee for playoff spots . Jack Johnson at line judge was working for playoff spots with 5 time Super Bowl officials Jack Fette and Bob Beeks.
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Post by cj on Mar 10, 2021 10:22:26 GMT -5
Interesting. Most of those mentioned here worked in the late 90's. We had bunch of those who worked at that time. Politics, polotics. polptics. How could you leave off a Jerry Marbreit or Pat Haggerty and put in a Gordon McCarter. Just an opinion.
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Post by marvin on Mar 10, 2021 12:31:28 GMT -5
The question was who was the best referee to NOT work a Super Bowl. Markbreit has the all time record at the referee position with 4. Haggerty worked 3.
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Post by mike on Mar 11, 2021 13:22:26 GMT -5
The question was who was the best referee to NOT work a Super Bowl. Markbreit has the all time record at the referee position with 4. Haggerty worked 3. He is not saying that Markbreit and Haggerty never worked the Super Bowl. What he was saying is would you replace either of them one time to let someone like McCarter or Heberling or Wyant work a Super Bowl?
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Post by checknadvise on Mar 12, 2021 15:16:42 GMT -5
Gordon McCarter was a good man, leader and referee.
He presented well and deserved a Super Bowl.
McNally and Seeman had their men they liked in SBs and CCs.
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Post by agpennypacker on Mar 16, 2021 11:40:20 GMT -5
Thank you, everyone, for your comments. I’ve enjoyed reading all of your thoughts on this topic. I think Walt Coleman and Gordon McCarter are my top two choices at this point, with honorable mention to Johnny Grier.
A few names that didn’t come up in our discussion: Dale Hamer, Gary Lane, Phil Luckett, Howard Roe, and surely others from the last 30 years whom I am forgetting.
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Post by checknadvise on Mar 16, 2021 12:51:38 GMT -5
Dale Hamer and Gary Lane both worked two. Phil Luckett had one.
Howard Roe left the league.
Currently, there are a few referees who definitely deserve playoff assignments and Super Bowls. That can’t always be said at each position.
Everyone just keeps getting better year after year, don’t they? The depth at each position these days is robust.
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Post by zebrablog on Mar 16, 2021 12:52:45 GMT -5
I'd go with Coleman and McCarter as well. Coleman gets the edge because I just don't see how someone works 30 years and just doesn't make the cut at some point. It just seemed to defy logic. At the very least, if not the top official, would he not be one of the top 5 in any of those years?
I thought Morelli got the same treatment as a white hat. And as far as office politics go, he was apolitical. Didn't ruffle any feathers, and no complaining. Did that hurt? Did others on his crews drag him down? At least he was able to signal the first walkoff score in Super Bowl history.
Coincidence that Walt and Pete got their retirement assignment to split a cold, rainy game in Orlando?
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Post by howard63 on Mar 17, 2021 9:48:29 GMT -5
Dale Hamer and Gary Lane both worked two. Phil Luckett had one. Howard Roe left the league. Currently, there are a few referees who definitely deserve playoff assignments and Super Bowls. That can’t always be said at each position. Everyone just keeps getting better year after year, don’t they? The depth at each position these days is robust. Dale Hamer, Gary Lane, and Phil Luckett worked Super Bowls at other positions. They were never the Super Bowl Referee. Hamer, by the way, bailed out Jerry Markbreit when there was some confusion during the Super Bowl XVII coin toss.
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Post by checknadvise on Mar 17, 2021 12:33:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Howard. I'm quite aware of those facts.
Those men excelled in the NFL and worked SBs. They were playoff regulars.
I'm sorry, I must've missed the context of what you were trying to say.
I thought the discussion was about the referees that never worked a SB.
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Post by howard63 on Mar 17, 2021 14:37:37 GMT -5
Thank you, Howard. I'm quite aware of those facts. Those men excelled in the NFL and worked SBs. They were playoff regulars. I'm sorry, I must've missed the context of what you were trying to say. I thought the discussion was about the referees that never worked a SB. I interpreted the original post as being centered around white hats. If I was wrong, I apologize. It would not be the first mistake I ever made and will certainly not be the last.
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Post by rs on Mar 25, 2021 17:56:34 GMT -5
Walt Coleman, Larry Nemmers, and Fred Wyant.
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Post by bulldog6878 on May 12, 2021 11:48:22 GMT -5
I didn't like the fact that Walt Coleman was not a referee at any Superbowl games.
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