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Post by JAYJAYSTRIPES on Sept 1, 2012 19:48:09 GMT -5
This whole affair is getting thoroughly disgusting, it looks to me like the league speaks with forked tongue. From some of the plethora of comments from readers and fans, many are not too happy with Lord Roger or the greedy owners. Is it Election time yet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 22:49:15 GMT -5
JJ,
Both sides are being childish and stupid. Neither wants to admit they need the other. Really ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 12:19:21 GMT -5
Didn't really expect such a defensive response CJ. Your posts just seem to me to be from a fan's perspective as opposed to an official's perspective. People who know the official's perspective would be much more in tuned with the nuances of managing an NFL game & would notice instantly the countless errors committed by the scabs regardless of the fan's perception. I am certain that the NFL coaches, players, and more knowlegeable fans will be rightfully insensed by even the best performances by the scabs. I meant no slur when I indicated that you must not be an official...simply pointing out that your perspective seems to be much more from that of a fan. I will be anxiously anticipating your reaction to the scab's week one performance from either/both perspectives.
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Post by cj on Sept 2, 2012 12:46:53 GMT -5
buzzy...my point throughout has been that it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what I think, it doesn't matter what anybody thinks from an officials perspective. To the vast majority of fans, judging by the other blogs and don't read in more than I am saying, as long as a game is played without seeming to put their team at a disadvantage officiating wise, they will not be upset. Most games in the NFL, and we see it on this blog weekly when Fred opens up a thread for comments on that week's officiating crews, are played without incident and I am sure many of us, many of the supervisors who sit on Park Avenue every Monday playing back each play at super slow motion can and do come up with missed calls. Will there be more missed calls by the scabs? Probably....will they affect the outcome of the games, that will have to be determined. Obviously management in this case is determined to for the most part get its way. Reading the article Fred cited, the pension question is almost non negotiable on the part of management (it would seem that if what we read is true namely that grandfathering the current officials into the current system and imposing the 401 solution on newbies is a the way many such disputes are settled. Obviously, the NFL has decided to chance having this thing blow up in their face. They've invested a lot nto training the replacement, probably more than they should have. But each bad mistake I am sure has led to correction acton in terms of you guys got this wrong now here'w what should have been done. Nobody will extend the first or third quarter with an untimed down again because that point has now been made. Officials will be on the look out for the 10 second run off now that it has been brought to their attention.
I'm not pro or anti current officials. No, I don't worship them and I can understand many of the guys here so doing. When I was younger and a very low level baseball umpire, I would go to bed some night and dream of myself being behind home plate in the seventh game of the World Series in a one run game with the bases loaded in the last of the ninth and a full count on the batter with 2 out and in my slow deliberate manner calling strike 3 and getting a lot of flack for not selling the call and then I would wake up and realize I was simply not that good and did not want to stand at home plate with a Bob Gibson pitch bearing down on me. Same way as many of the guys here dream of being on the grid iron in a similar analogous football situation. As such, these guys (the NFL officials) are their heroes and I don't begrudge anybody one second of thought.
But there are things to be said for management's position too given all the factors. I think though this week will be vry telling. If something real bad happens, it may push the NFL to get off its rear end and begin to negotiate. If nothing bad happens, the officials may have to swallow their pride and accept what the NFL has to offer or just continue to accept the lock out waiting for what they consider to be th einevitable melt down game.
Obviously you've made up your mind who you consider right and that's your perogative and right. I must admit, I haven't made up my mind the way others have. Only time will tell.
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Post by becky10 on Sept 2, 2012 15:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by becky10 on Sept 6, 2012 17:07:44 GMT -5
I just read this..... came from an NFL Official(Real Zebra/NFLRA Zebra) ...... ughhhhhh....... grrrrrr @nfl @goodell @owners
They(meaning NFL - Goodell & Owners) are dug in right now and not wanting to find a compromise. Today they do not feel like having a meaningful discusion, this weekend may help move that along, but it is very puzzling on my end. We are willing to work with them but you can't neogtiate with yourself!
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Post by cj on Sept 6, 2012 17:52:03 GMT -5
I just read this..... came from an NFL Official(Real Zebra/NFLRA Zebra) ...... ughhhhhh....... grrrrrr @nfl @goodell @owners They(meaning NFL - Goodell & Owners) are dug in right now and not wanting to find a compromise. Today they do not feel like having a meaningful discusion, this weekend may help move that along, but it is very puzzling on my end. We are willing to work with them but you can't neogtiate with yourself! Every labor dispute has certain things one side or the other will simply not give on. Obviously management will not give on the pensions and the officials don't want to give on tht issue either. As both consider this the key key issue, well draw your own conclusins. The only leverage the officials will be able to get is if and when a game is played where the officiating is so bad that it actually decides the game. Last night's game, according to most, did not provide any leverage to the officials whatsoever as much as so many here want to sit and scream about missed calls, lousy techniques and the like. Not a single fan not involved in officiating was turned off in the slightest by that game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 19:03:36 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread but wanted to repost:
The difference between this lockout and lockouts the common working person would run into is that all 121 officials are freelancers. I have a regular job and a freelance job. The freelance job has no benefits and I need the permission of my boss to be able to do the freelance work.
Also none of these regular officials are going to go on welfare or food stamps if they are not back on the field. This isn't like the strikes involving common folk looking for safe working conditions or fair compensation to be able to get food on the table.
As far as I feel if the regulars want to work in the league, they take what the league is offering. If not then quit and get on with your life. All of these guys have regular jobs or are retired. Not officiating will not put any of these guys on the streets like regular folks.
This lockout is ridiculous and I honestly do not miss the regulars. The replacements are just as likely to get a call wrong as the regulars.
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Post by mike on Sept 6, 2012 19:27:24 GMT -5
It is not often that you see harrytasker and this New Yorker in agreement (mostly). There is more likely to be wrong/missed calls than with the regulars (even the best replacement crews would probably rank between 12 and 15 of the regular crews). That being said, I feel no sympathy for what the officials are striking for as even no pay raise and a switch to 401(k) is better than most regular full time jobs (which, by the way, officials can have as well). About the only thing I would say is that if the switch to 401(k) is made that officials not lose anything accrued under the old Defined Benefit plan as I do understand that some may have opted out of pension plans offered by their other employer(s) because of the NFL's pension system
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 6, 2012 22:09:57 GMT -5
About the only thing I would say is that if the switch to 401(k) is made that officials not lose anything accrued under the old Defined Benefit plan That is why there is no agreement. But both sides are making their public cases by comparing incomparable numbers. If that is how the work is done at the table, there won't be a deal until 2013. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 12:55:16 GMT -5
The best point I can make on why I dont feel sorry for the officials is this:
Earlier this week waiters/waitresses at Olive Garden and Longhorn Steakhouse sued their parent company for back pay owed. These people are making minimum wage and struggling to pay bills and the basics. The NFL officials all have jobs outside of officiating and make way more than these people. The company intentionally forced employees to work off the clock instead of paying overtime on top of their minimum wage.
If the regulars want to come back, then take the offer, if not then someone else will. Not saying the league is right but the league is the employer. If you dont like your employer or what they are offering, then leave. Just like someone who has a regular job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 21:20:11 GMT -5
I hope somebody doesn't volunteer to fly the next airplane I'm on for less than the qualified pilot!
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