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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 3, 2012 13:35:30 GMT -5
NFL wants officials to have 401(k). Officials want to keep their pension. Officials offer to grandfather in people on the pension plan. NFL says no.
My idea is a "partial grandfather."
If an official submits his retirement papers by the January 31, 2015, he gets his pension. On February 1, 2015, all remaining officials roll into a 401(k). That allows officials like Carey, Hayes, Carlsen, Baltz, and Phares a chance to officiate a few more years and retire with a pension.
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Post by cj on Sept 3, 2012 16:17:31 GMT -5
It's creative, Fred, I'll certainly give you that. Don't think, however, it'll wash. I think, from what we've read, the NFL is dead set on the pension question and I've heard John Mara on WFAN talk to that issue as being very important to management. What we're down to, I am afraid, is what will happen when the real games start. If the officiating ends up being as bad as some here have expressed it to be, this will make the NFL more amenable to a settlement. If the games come off relatively issue free, it might harden management's position and may force the officials to come back to the table. It is evident, to me, as with these things as they stretch, there is a faction which wants to compromise (Triplette in his meetings with management last Thursday and Friday and apparently they had reached a verbal agreement and Scott Green and the attorney were brought in on Saturday to effectuate the settlement Triplette had sort of agreed to and when they started asking for other things, management said all bets are off....isn't that the way others have read sme of the articles?
These boards will be fune this weekend, that's for sure.
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Post by mike on Sept 3, 2012 17:32:16 GMT -5
Fred then you have retirements en masse to get in under that which is not ideal for defined benefit plans. Now if league capped who was eligible (based on age and seniority) it might work
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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 3, 2012 17:52:48 GMT -5
On second thought, it would probably bitterly divide the NFLRA. I'm sure people like Blakeman and Steratore would balk at that - so the question would be if the old guys would throw the young guys overboard? NFLRA would probably not go for it citing an attempt to divide the union.
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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 4, 2012 15:48:24 GMT -5
Fred then you have retirements en masse to get in under that which is not ideal for defined benefit plans. Now if league capped who was eligible (based on age and seniority) it might work I understand your point, mike; however I think it is a moot point. Before all the lockout mess it was said that over the next two years we could have as many as 20-30 retirements, and I would think we'd get about that same amount taking my proposal. Mass turnover has happened before in the NFL. Over 20 officials retired/were run off by Jerry Seeman from around 1991-94. In fact, the new officials who came in then are the candidates for retirement now..... |
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Post by mike on Sept 4, 2012 16:10:22 GMT -5
Fred another way I have seen it work is you could cap who is eligible by using age/seniority then submit by, say, March 1, 2013 (or whatever day you want to set) an "intent to retire before the start of 2016 season" so that the league could then have 3 years to stagger retirements but the retirement date is at the discretion of the NFL (if the NFL knows who is taking advantage they could within days tell officials when their last day will be)
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Post by zebrablog on Sept 4, 2012 16:17:14 GMT -5
I like the thinking there, but I don't know how I would feel if my retirement were up to my employer, and not my own plans. Besides, anyone who indicates their desire to retire to their employer is really mentally checked out at that time, and the only reason to stay is for transitional purposes. Three years, though, seems an awful long transition.
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Post by mike on Sept 4, 2012 17:06:59 GMT -5
zebra, I was only giving a hypothetical but realistically 8-12 is the ideal max per year depending on number of white hats retiring and how may officials can be replaced by officials who worked same position in college. Another factor is that age/seniority probably means Carey, Coleman, Hochuli, and Green probably would be eligible not to mention RJ, Leavy, and Triplette are not getting any younger, and Corrente has health issues. 2016 may be the earliest there can be enough good potential Referees assuming hired to start 2013/2014 and this doesn't account for performance related demotions/firings or sudden issues like Bill Vinovich
College R's who may be targeted by NFL: Scott Novak, Reggie Smith, Brad Allen, Matt Austin, Alex Kemp, Todd Geerlings, Shawn Hochuli
Potential R's currently in NFL: Hussey, Rose, Helverson, A. Hill, Wrolstad
I have purposely left out officials who are probably too old to make the transition or ex-NCAA white hats (based on my recollection) who have not really stood out in NFL (B. Anderson, T. Brown) but I may have left some off accidentally
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Post by russ on Sept 4, 2012 20:44:58 GMT -5
Ron Torbert was a white hat in the Big Ten. I think he would be considered as well. He worked a playoff game in his second season when his crew wasn't top 8. That is very rare for a young guy to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 10:45:40 GMT -5
Fortunately after this week someone will be a winner. Either the scabs will look awful and that will force Goodell to get the real officials back or they will do a great job and Goodell will get rid of all the regulars.
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