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Post by FredFan7 on May 8, 2013 10:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by cj on May 8, 2013 16:18:01 GMT -5
Not bad enough for a suspension......he'll get fined probably but I doubt he will be suspended.
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Post by mike on May 9, 2013 9:28:21 GMT -5
Not as bad as when Brendan Morrow tackled Casey Cizikas earlier in the period and then started wailing on him right in front of the referee (could not tell if it was Paul Devorski or Dan O'Halloran). As Ben Dreith would say, after he tackled him he was giving him the business down there. Having watched each game I will say that I am shocked to say that the best referee crew in the 4 games was the one I least expected it from (Chris Lee & Kelly Sutherland). For two periods I thought Devorski/O'Halloran had a good handle on the game but in a close playoff game they became too timid in the third period to make a call. I can understand that the borderline obstruction calls you let go but tackling a player and then punching him well behind the play is not a borderline call
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Post by cj on May 9, 2013 10:08:08 GMT -5
mike....I hope we can disagree about some things in a respectful manner. I probably go back with the NHL far longer than you do. We all knew, fans, players, management, administrators that there was the rule book as written and then there were unwritten rules and just common sense. For years, it was an accepted part of hockey officiating on the professional level, that you only make calls late in a game, especially a playoff game, if they absolutely have to be made and even then the players accepted that the referees from their early training wanted to let the players decide the game. Andy Van Hellemond refereed a 5 overtime game in the 7th game of a Caps-Islanders series back in1986 I believe it was and there was one pair of coincidental minor penalties called and that was it. Nobody complained (and you can't tell me there weren't infractions during 5 overtime periods that would have been called if it weren't overtime of a 7th game).
I think the pendulum has swung the other way in the NHL to the detriment of the league. We have these arguments here all the time and I always seem to be in the distinct minority (again hopefully in a respecting manner). Perhaps it's a philosophical change namely under the Bettman administration where they think the reason so many fans show up disguised as empty seats especialy in the sun belts is that there are not enough goals scored and so officials who once upon a time were taught if there was any doubt of a call in overtime, any doubt, not to make it. Now they are told if they have any doubt, make the call, to get a power play, to get a goal, to get the game over with. I believe that is true as well as the 2 referee system (and you kn ow my opinion on that) and the fact every game is televised by at least 2 if not 3 or 4 different productin crews (home, visitors, American national, Canadian national). The bosses now sit back in Toronto on their swivel chairs and if they don't like the way a game is being called, they make their feeling known to the referees between periods.
The call against the Islanders (I think you're probably an Islander fan) in the 3rd game on Crosby was a marginal penalty and never should have been called in overtime. Never in a million years. That was the way I grew up watching the sport and can't imagine Frank Udvari, Art Skov, Wally Harris, Ron Wicks and any of the others ever making that call and nobody would have said anything. People pay to watch the players play.
I feel the same way, and again I know I'm in the minority, about the NFL. I feel the same way about the NBA although because of the large number of points that are scored, it really only affects the last two or three minutes. Let the players decide the game and I'll take whatever barbs are thrown at me. I talk as a fan who has watched the NHL for well over 50 years and I just can't stand the way the game is officiated today (and most people my age feel the same way).
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