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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 18, 2023 14:52:28 GMT -5
Enjoy the games and post your officiating observations here.
Cardinals at Texans — Alex Kemp
Bears at Lions — Scott Novak
Cowboys at Panthers — Clay Martin
Raiders at Dolphins — Bill Vinovich
Chargers at Packers — John Hussey
Giants at Commanders — Brad Allen
Steelers at Browns — Shawn Hochuli
Titans at Jaguars — Brad Rogers
Buccaneers at 49ers — Craig Wrolstad
Jets at Bills — Alan Eck
Seahawks at Rams — Carl Cheffers
Vikings at Broncos NBC Peacock — Ron Torbert
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Post by zebrablog on Nov 19, 2023 13:14:01 GMT -5
Substitutions
U102 Bruce Stritesky (swing official) to Kemp's crew (AZ-HOU)
LJ10 Julian Mapp to Blakeman's crew (CIN-BAL/Thursday)
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Post by mike on Nov 19, 2023 14:29:33 GMT -5
Two ejections in Giants/Commanders game. Sarah Thomas needed to be more demonstrative with TD call.
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Post by bigorange1 on Nov 19, 2023 15:17:48 GMT -5
Two ejections in Giants/Commanders game. Sarah Thomas needed to be more demonstrative with TD call. It appears as though she first wanted to signal the QB short of the pylon and was going to stop the clock, but then realized that the ball had actually crossed the plane even though the player did not and she changed her signal to TD. This is probably a situation where had she taken another half second to process it all, especially with the beginnings of the fight ensuing, it would have appeared a whole lot more efficient. |
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Post by mike on Nov 19, 2023 15:36:16 GMT -5
Two ejections in Giants/Commanders game. Sarah Thomas needed to be more demonstrative with TD call. It appears as though she first wanted to signal the QB short of the pylon and was going to stop the clock, but then realized that the ball had actually crossed the plane even though the player did not and she changed her signal to TD. This is probably a situation where had she taken another half second to process it all, especially with the beginnings of the fight ensuing, it would have appeared a whole lot more efficient. This is a known rivalry game so if the players aren’t sure the play is over they are going to go hard. |
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 16:00:16 GMT -5
Trevor Lawrence dives for the pylon for a Jaguars touchdown. Side judge Anthony Jeffries has a tough call to make. Lawrence dove toward the pylon and stayed in-bounds long enough for the ball to break the plane of the goal line.
Jeffries did a great job making this difficult call.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 17:42:53 GMT -5
With 13:55 to go in the second quarter, the Jets were called for illegal contact, which is a five yard penalty and an automatic first down. The chains had to advance five yards and reset. The down box moved to the proper spot and indicated first down, but the chains didn't move. This is a mistake by the chain gang, but the down judge should have made sure the chains were in proper position before resuming play.
The Bills ran a play and they line judge Robin DeLorenzo noticed the chains were amiss. She stopped the game and notified umpire Tab Slaughter, referee Alan Eck and down judge Fred Bryan. After discussion, Bryan reset the chains to the proper location.
This is an excellent observation by DeLorenzo, the most junior member of the crew.
The NFL expects all seven officials to be experts in penalty enforcement, timing rules, and other administrative duties. The NFL expects even the newest rookie to stop the game and alert the crew if they suspect something is amiss. This is called “saving the crew.”
Gold star to DeLorenzo for saving the crew from an embarrassing oversight.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 18:09:45 GMT -5
The Commanders Curtis Samuel and the Giants Cordale Flott were ejected for fighting late in the second quarter.
Quarterback Sam Howell scrambled toward the goal line. Down judge Sarah Thomas ruled that Howell had scored a touchdown at the initial hit at the goal line. Thomas didn't sound her whistle but she went up with the touchdown signal. The players didn't see the signal. That caused Howell to keep fighting for a touchdown that he already achieved. To be fair to Thomas, she might not have expected a second attempt at the goal line after the initial hit. But, the priority during this play is the whistle, then the signal. Or whistle and signal at the same time.
The play continued out of bounds and the fight was on. That is where Samuel and Flott got their early ticket out of the game. It was a heck of a time for referee Brad Allen's microphone to fail, but the information is accurate.
It is unknown if Thomas sounding her whistle sooner would have prevented a fight, but the down judge should have been a little quicker to use the whistle to announce the play was over and Howell scored a touchdown.
This is the 10th and 11th ejections of the 2023 season.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 18:26:12 GMT -5
There is a lot for the deep officials on Brad Rogers' crew -- field judge Aaron Santi, side judge Anthony Jeffries, and back judge Tyree Walton -- to sort out on a Texans punt.
The ball is first touched by #11 Chris Moore at the 4-yard line. So we are going to bank that spot because the Jaguars are able to take the spot of first touching (and any additional "first touch" spots by the kicking team). It is also touched by #40 Anthony Kendall who is on the goal line, but lifts his hand off the goal line before touching the ball. It is then touched again by Moore at the 2 and gathered in at the 1.
Kendall is considered re-established in the field of play with 2 feet in bounds an no body part in the end zone. The towel is disregarded for purposes of a touchback.
Walton, the back judge, also throws a flag down, because Kendall kicks the loose ball in an effort to keep the ball from going into the end zone.
Rogers correctly assesses the 10-yard penalty from the spot of the kick. A foul cannot be enforced from a first-touch spot, so the Jaguars get the ball at the 11. A first touch is considered a "violation," in that it retains aspects similar to a foul, and the "penalty" is to award the spot of the best first-touch spot during the down. For that reason, it cannot combine with a foul.
There is a lot of concentration needed when there are multiple kicking team players touching the punt and threading the goal line. In that, Walton did not get so focused that he didn't officiate the illegal kick.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 19:22:58 GMT -5
Following an interception, Rams cornerback Derion Kendrick runs along the sidelines and sends a message to injured Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith on the sideline. Referee Carl Cheffers called this an "illegal demonstration," but did not call it taunting.
Celebration fouls are not considered one of the two-part fouls that lead to an automatic ejection on the second such foul. Taunting is in that category. Not sure why the crew opted to place this is the "illegal demonstration" bucket (of which there are few celebrations classified this way anymore) and not taunting where it seems it belongs.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 19:32:08 GMT -5
A pair of Suplexes -- Suplicies? -- are flagged for clear unnecessary roughness. Sauce Gardner for the Jets and Devon Witherspoon are each penalized for the extra action after the runner is clearly stopped.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 19, 2023 21:23:44 GMT -5
Ron Torbert with the stylish goatee for Movember.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 20, 2023 1:32:54 GMT -5
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