How is this a judgement call?

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FF7 pointed out in my thread about the Big East officials blown call on the extra point in the Toledo-Syracuse game that it was a judgement call.

Not calling anyone out, but how can an extra point attempt be a judgement call? The ball either split the goalposts or it didn't.

[FredFan7]

And in the judgement of the officials, the ball passed through the uprights. In the judgement of the instant replay official, the play also stood. Just like it's a judgement call when the official thinks a player is down, caught the ball, or broke the plane of the goal line.

[JugglingReferee]

If the ball was so high that an official had to judge if the ball went between the uprights, then I'd say it's a judgment call.

Otherwise, I'm with you.

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The ball did not go above the goal posts. It was a shank and only went halfway up.

[hank]

Then it was a double dose of poor judgement.

[cj]

Actually, I guess I am gong to sound like Bill Clinton, it depends on what you consider a judgment call to be. Myself, I differentiate between what for lack of a better term I call an either/or call as opposed to when real judgment might involve no call. For the most part, for example, false starts are either/or calls. We know the definition...if somebody moves before the snap, it is a false start. Either the guy does or doesn't. Out or safe in baseball is an either/or call///you know the definition of out and either the runner was tagged before he got to the base or not..same with ball or strike or fair or foul or home run or in play...I don't consider them to be judgment calls. Either the ball landed fair or it landed foul.

Now many penalties in football are judgment calls. Yes was it severe enough or at the point of attack to warrant a holding call? Was there enough contact to warrant dpi? Because on plays like that, you always have the option of no call. That's where the official's judgment comes in. Did it clear the cross bar and go between the goal posts? Either it did or it didn't and I, at least according to my wafe of defining it, wouldn't consider that a judgment call.

But others might think differently.

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In theory with what FF7 said, and again no rip on him, receiver John Doe could catch a pass in the middle of the end zone for a TD, walk around, toss the ball to the BJ who then signals incomplete because "in his judgement the player did not catch the pass".

That's not a judgement call, it's either he caught it or he didn't. Same thing with that PAT kick the officials in Syracuse screwed up Saturday.

[FredFan7]

We can argue semantics or agree to disagree and that's fine. I answered in the original post (now on the NCAA forum) that the Big East or the NCAA will not award the victory to Toledo. It didn't after the Colorado 5th down against Missouri, or after any other infamous calls. I have yet to see the actual play, but it sounds like an infamous call.