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Post by becky10 on Nov 2, 2011 16:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 2, 2011 17:10:06 GMT -5
Officials are not doctors. If they see a potentially concussed player - then what? Do they have the authority to remove a player from the game? What if they have to remove the star WR in the final two minutes of a drive?
This is too much for NFL officials to do. I advocate Florio's suggestion of having a "safety official" monitoring for potential concussions and bringing in a neutral neurologist to identify and treat.
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Post by hank on Nov 2, 2011 22:01:31 GMT -5
FredFan7, I couldn't agree with you more. You provide a great question, when you allude to officials determining player personnel at a critical juncture of the game.
Also, I quickly looked at a couple of team websites and see that they have approximately 16-18 coaches with an average of 3 doctor/trainers on staff. Why in the world of health and safety does the responsibility of a players health fall on a game official and not the team and it's resources?
Believable!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 22:19:23 GMT -5
I agree 100% here. These guys are officials not doctors. This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. A safety official?? What do the trainers on the field do? Drink Gatorade?
Are they not trained in looking out for this? The league is setting themselves up for something they don't want or need in the longrun...a medical lawsuit against one of its ref's.
Goodell or Carl Johnston needs their heads examined, not by a official, but by a REAL doctor here.
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Post by JAYJAYSTRIPES on Nov 3, 2011 5:25:17 GMT -5
These guys are not medically trained. Leave it to the qualified, hopefully they will have trained personnell at the game.
When I was on the field we NEVER touched an injured player. I wouldn't do it, and I have EMS and Advanced First Aid training. You're opening yourself to liability issues, and while most states have Good Samaritan laws, you still open yourself to some slick lawyer who will still try to find a way to get into your pocket.
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Post by bulldog6878 on Nov 3, 2011 7:01:38 GMT -5
The NFl really needs qualified neurologiststs look for the signs of a concussions. Also what about the tests the NFL teams were supposed to use to look for sings of impairment ofaplayer who has had a concussion? Is he still neurologically in tact? is it truly worth placing a player who was roughed -knocked out and removed from a game befrore he is truly intact verus a team possibly placing the player back in the game before he is able to play?
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 3, 2011 9:15:50 GMT -5
FredFan7, I couldn't agree with you more. You provide a great question, when you allude to officials determining player personnel at a critical juncture of the game. Also, I quickly looked at a couple of team websites and see that they have approximately 16-18 coaches with an average of 3 doctor/trainers on staff. Why in the world of health and safety does the responsibility of a players health fall on a game official and not the team and it's resources? Believable! I think Florio's suggestion is to have a neutral party who is medically trained to have the authority to step in and remove a player exhibiting concussion symptoms. Trainers drawing a team paycheck are in an untenable situation when it comes to removing the star at a critical junction in the game. Whatever they do KEEP THE GAME OFFICIALS OUT OF IT! |
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Post by timdaye on Nov 3, 2011 19:34:19 GMT -5
I repsectfully disagree with some of what is being said here. While I completely agree that officials are not doctors, there is no reason why, if they notice a player acting oddly after a play, they can't look at the trainer and say, "Hey, Joe Trainer, check out #52". They are not asking officials to determine if a guy has a concussion, just to be aware of the signs of a concussed player. Sometimes, its painfully obvious. Sometimes its not. For those times when it is obvious, the official can point it out to the team trainer.
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Post by zcr57 on Nov 3, 2011 20:17:35 GMT -5
Officials should have no role in diagnosing concussions. This should be the responsibility responsibility of each team's medical staff. These men and women get paid a lot of money to diagnose and treat concussions. Officials are under enough pressure without having to worry about whether or not a player has suffered a concussion.
If a player appears to suffer a concussion, his coaches and medical staff need to be proactive and remove him from the game before the situation gets worse.
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Post by I've been warned on Nov 3, 2011 20:57:11 GMT -5
My state HS Association got in front of this before it was legislated by the Illinois General Assembly and has been very proactive in educating athletes, coaches and officials of the signs and symptoms of a concussion.
Officials have no business making a diagnosis, but certainly could reasonably be expected to point out a student-athlete who is exhibiting these signs and symptoms to appropriate school medical personnel.
Again, this is at the HS level in Illinois... the NFL is a different arena.
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Post by becky10 on Nov 4, 2011 0:06:48 GMT -5
Chris Myers NFL & Nascar Guru mentioned this on Twitter(on Thursday)
The_ChrisMyers Chris Myers
Now #nfl refs play doctor with player concussions. fox rules analyst mike periera on inside call friday at foxsports.com
>> look for Mike Pereira on Inside the Call.... Friday. I am thinking a Video.
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Post by FredFan7 on Nov 4, 2011 11:12:20 GMT -5
My state HS Association got in front of this before it was legislated by the Illinois General Assembly and has been very proactive in educating athletes, coaches and officials of the signs and symptoms of a concussion. Officials have no business making a diagnosis, but certainly could reasonably be expected to point out a student-athlete who is exhibiting these signs and symptoms to appropriate school medical personnel. Again, this is at the HS level in Illinois... the NFL is a different arena. As an IL high school official, this rule has been ok. Our crew has never had to implement it, but it does protect the officials from liability. If we see a play with concussion symptoms, we send that player out (he must go) to be looked at by a certified trainer. If the trainer clears the player to come back in, the coach has to notify the officials that the player is ok to continue. The liability is all on the coach and trainer. While this adds an extra layer of protection for the player and an extra layer of duties for the official it is a workable rule in the state - and it keeps the government out of writing sports rule books. I just want to know how much authority an NFL official has. It's one thing to turn to the coach and say, "78 looks pretty shaken up, you may want to take a look at him" and it is quite another thing for the official to formally remove #78 from the game because it appears to the official that he has a concussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 12:04:12 GMT -5
I understand the concussion education signs and everything, but these guys need training and they wont learn overnight the symptoms of it. I would of hoped they would of had a program in which these guys were trained because it is a interpretive call on whether a guy or not has alot of symptoms.
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Post by zebrablog on Nov 4, 2011 12:53:15 GMT -5
I understand the reluctance to get the officials involved. This was likely discussed by the league, but cinching the new policy was that the player in question fell in front of two officials.
Officials already have to decide when to call an injury timeout, although trainers on the field are usually a good indicator that the injured player will leave the field for a down. Sometimes, they will judge that themselves, and not all injuries are as obvious as Joe Theismann's.
I coached a youth soccer team and one of the girls had a routine collision and fell on the field (which was hard as concrete because of a dry spell). Nothing unusal, there, but as my attention was diverted to the ball, one of the other players said she needed to come out. When she got to the sideline (didn't even wait for a dead ball) it quickly became obvious she could have a concussion. Rather than try to figure it out, I called her mother to the sideline so that she could get evaluated at the emergency room.
Assessing the potential for a concussion is not difficult. In this case, my instincts were correct. And even if my assessment was incorrect, my instincts would have always been correct. Accepting that at the upper levels of sport, I understand, is a whole different animal.
The officials are not responsible for evaluating with certainty whether a player has a concussion, but they are empowered to disregard a player who declines treatment because he claims he's "just woozy."
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Post by becky10 on Nov 4, 2011 13:03:29 GMT -5
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in with this video 
I sent them a tweet asking if they can take the music off..