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Post by hank on Dec 7, 2011 23:21:55 GMT -5
I am amazed that Carl Johnson doesn't even have a wikipedia page, yet he is Vice President of Officiating, while the likes of fresh officials such as Jimmy DeBell have their own wikipedia page - this blows my mind!
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Post by sab2423 on Dec 8, 2011 8:07:07 GMT -5
I don't really know if you can fairly make that comparison. Wikipedia is driven by the public, anyone can create a profile page about anyone, I could create one about myself right now and I'm certainly a nobody.
For all we know, Jimmy Debell's neighbor decided to create the Wikipedia page for him but I don't think we can measure anything by whether or not you have a Wikipedia page about you.
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Post by impz45 on Dec 8, 2011 14:58:48 GMT -5
I was taught along time ago.....The Whale that spouts is The Whale that gets caught.
In this profession it may be best to fly under the radar.
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Post by BTFS Admin on Dec 8, 2011 22:36:32 GMT -5
Here are the guidelines for having a Wikipedia bio article. Not anyone can have one. It may be deleted if the criteria are not met.
Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on the encyclopedic suitability of an article topic. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary.
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Post by I've been warned on Dec 9, 2011 0:45:55 GMT -5
Mr. Johnson would be well-served to promote the access to his office and thoughts that his predecessor did. Disappointed that he hasn't done more in this area.
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Post by cj on Dec 9, 2011 3:20:40 GMT -5
It is an interesting question of just how much the public should be told about poor calls, different interpretations and the like. Perhaps it is coming from the League not to do a segment each lweek on the network. After all, Periera was the exception, not the rule. For years you didn't hear a peep from the officiating office, especially when officials were wrong. I don't remember ever hearing even once during Art McNally's time of an officiating error unless it was so terrible it couldn't be swept under the table (see Norm Schacter and the lost down where his entire crew was suspended one seasn from the playofs because they lost track of the downs in a game). Same thing was true for Jerry Seeman. We began hearing these thngs under Periera especially after the San ?Francisco-New York Giant game when they acknowledge the defensive pass interference against the Giant receiver was missed which should have resultied in off setting penalties on the last play of a playoff game and a do over but even then they have left hanging just where the error came in.
Inn later years, it became more commpn place for ther head zebra to do his televisioin thing every Wednesday. Whether that was a source of friction with the officials, who knows.
Other sports have done the same in recent years. When I was younger, National League umpires freely discussed what they had called with reporters and gave their sides of the story. Some were more open than others. AL umpires were more strictly controlled by thr AL President who was a control freak. NHL officials reguarly invited reporters into their dressing room to discuss controversial calls, again some more so than others. Today, that is much more closely controlled and only a pool reporter is allowed into the officials' dressing room to meet with the referee and get his story. (I assume it's the same in basketball but I don't particularly like the sport and pay little attention to it). None of them are particularly forthcoming although that has started to change a bit in mlb with Joe Torre handing some of that.
Whether it's the right thing to do or not, everybody is entitled to their opinikon. But once again, our discussions of officials are based on replays with 2 dimensional views of thing and with lack of knowledge of the rules (for example here in NY all week they have simply said the call on the Jennings play wa atrociously wrong like it was the worst call in the history of the NFL and while one can understand the call could have gone either way, anybody with knowledge of football rules can understand just how close and tough a call it was. They've also been showing the picture of the call on the Ginat "touchdown" that was ruled out of bounds, it looked clearly on video that when the knee stopped moving it was on the white line, yet the still picture seems to show his knee coming down inbounds in 2 dimensional "splendor." It would have been really nice for all concerned if Johnson had discussed these plays and even Periera is simply brought in to give an opinion and they don't do a segment with him during a game breaking down a tape.
Unfortunately from the standpoint of educating fans, I think the league has dropped the ball.
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Post by sab2423 on Dec 9, 2011 8:23:30 GMT -5
Here are the guidelines for having a Wikipedia bio article. Not anyone can have one. It may be deleted if the criteria are not met. Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on the encyclopedic suitability of an article topic. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary. Interesting and that certainly makes sense. Not sure how strict they are in enforcing that policy, as I've seen some people who have Wikipedia bios that I'm not sure all of the above applies. |
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 9, 2011 10:40:38 GMT -5
I'm just glad Pereira has a job with Fox because there would be some serious withdrawal with no Carl Johnson.
I know that Johnson didn't seem very comfortable doing Official Review last season, but he improved and was getting more comfortable. Maybe he thinks since Pereira is doing it he doesn't need to?
This is actually a regression to the norm regarding the NFL officiating office historically where we don't hear very much out of the office, unless it affirms a call or says a call was incorrect.
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Post by zebrablog on Dec 9, 2011 11:58:59 GMT -5
Some observations:
Pereira, when employed by the NFL had much more candor than you would expect for someone in an executive position. He did hold back a little to avoid a boss-employee conflict, and now that he's with Fox, he is even more free to speak. (Still, he does not call out anyone by name, which is understandable.)
Pereira is also constrained to the "broadcast window" for game footage, so any insight he has to impart cannot use any visuals after 8pm Eastern on Sunday. Any online video can't be embedded, only linked to, and all game highlights online must originate from the league's network, where they are contracturally obligated to have three people talking simultaneously over the video.
Johnson initially did not have good camera presence. I am not sure how Pereira started, but I am sure both were professionally coached. From experience, I can tell you that it looks a lot easier than it is, especially when you have to contend with the satellite delay between Culver City and Manhattan. But, we insist that the white hats should have a commanding presence on the mic, so why not for the boss? Even if Johnson isn't the best in the spokesperson mode, why not anyone else in the officiating department with the title "supervisor"? There are six of them, I believe; one of them being former white hat Johnny Grier, whose voice was contained in the bumper animation for the "Official Review" segment.
The NFL set a bar for the information it would provide us regarding the officiating, and then lowered it. Officials are barred from speaking (on the record) to the media in season except through pool reports. I have run into so many "we will send you a statement from the officiating department if they respond to your question" replies that I don't even ask anymore.
By ceding the voice of the officiating department to a former insider, the league has lost control of the message. I don't know of any corporation that would ever be content with that.
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Post by hank on Dec 9, 2011 23:38:24 GMT -5
I don't really know if you can fairly make that comparison. Wikipedia is driven by the public, anyone can create a profile page about anyone, I could create one about myself right now and I'm certainly a nobody. For all we know, Jimmy Debell's neighbor decided to create the Wikipedia page for him but I don't think we can measure anything by whether or not you have a Wikipedia page about you. My point, which appears did not land clearly, is that many officials have information on the web, including newcomers, but the top official is absent - in all forms of media. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 20:21:28 GMT -5
Carl Johnson appeared on NBC Sports Talk this evening. They talked about James Harrison and his helmet-to-helmet hit and asked Johnson why he wasn't ejected. Other topics Johnson talked about were the missed facemask call on Joe Webb and what constitutes a catch.
I'll try and find a video of the segment for those that don't get Versus.
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 16, 2011 20:52:48 GMT -5
Carl Johnson appeared on NBC Sports Talk this evening. They talked about James Harrison and his helmet-to-helmet hit and asked Johnson why he wasn't ejected. Other topics Johnson talked about were the missed facemask call on Joe Webb and what constitutes a catch. I'll try and find a video of the segment for those that don't get Versus. Please do so if you can! Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 14:13:15 GMT -5
Couldn't find a video of the interview. Sorry. It's not on the NBC Sports website and I had no luck searching for it on the internet.
I believe the show will re-air on Versus on Sunday morning at 6am central. The Johnson segment is about half-way through the hour long show.
No guarantees the Sunday morning program is a re-air of the Friday show.
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