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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 2:14:03 GMT -5
Hey gang-
For the playoffs, there are, including all alternates, 110 officials who make games, provided no one is used twice correct?
WC+DIV+CC = 90 officials PB = 8 SB = 12
With 17 crews of 7, and two swing officials, that means there are 121 officials, minus two rookies (Parham and Meslow) and four injuries (DeFelice, Bryan and Lamberth, and Howey) ...so that means that 6 do not get assignments?
that must really stink. If SB WH is recycled, than 9 do not get either on or off field assignments of any sort?
This is the list I have for getting no assignment at all (guesses based on who is left to work CCs and SB)
Triplette, Riveron, Mello, Stephan, Brown, DeBell, D. Carey
If this ends up being anywhere near close, Riveron needs to have his crew shaken up this offseason.
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Post by russ on Jan 17, 2012 2:33:19 GMT -5
David Meslow is also a rookie and Jim Howey is injured.
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2012 8:15:46 GMT -5
...that is if you buy this malarkey there are ratings. The assignments are made at the discretion of the league office for whatever political reasons they choose. Who is to say so and so had a good year while so and so didn't? There are two kinds of officials......satisfactory and better and totally unsatisfactory. If the later, get rid of therm. If the former, then the assignments should rotate. It is a far fairer system. I have always felt that way and have seen nothing over the years to cdonvince me I'm wrong. I thought Ron Winters was quite putrid in most of the games he worked, yet he got an assignment. Shows how little I know, I guess.
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Post by zebrablog on Jan 17, 2012 9:52:48 GMT -5
We are never privy to the "grades," but the average accuracy is 98 to 99% consistently across all the crews. All calls weighted equally, it is a little less than 2 mark downs per game. There are also written tests whose scores are folded into the accuracy rating. I can easily see that 1st and 10th place can be separated by tenths, even hundreths, of points.
OK, there is also a "class participation" grade (decisiveness and professionalism), but for the most part, they are all very close. The ones at the bottom are not that far out, because if they were, you wouldn't see them on the field the next year.
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2012 10:06:13 GMT -5
We are never privy to the "grades," but the average accuracy is 98 to 99% consistently across all the crews. All calls weighted equally, it is a little less than 2 mark downs per game. There are also written tests whose scores are folded into the accuracy rating. I can easily see that 1st and 10th place can be separated by tenths, even hundreths, of points. OK, there is also a "class participation" grade (decisiveness and professionalism), but for the most part, they are all very close. The ones at the bottom are not that far out, because if they were, you wouldn't see them on the field the next year. Exactly...so basically the "grades" are meaningless....again nobody wants to see an incompetent assigned to a playoff game but I don't think there are very many, if any, incompetents among the NFL officials. We all have our favourites sometimes based simply on what team we root for and how our team has done in games so and so has worked (it shouldn't be that way, of course). Therefore a rotation system would be so much fairer and also for staff morale. Again, if it's so close, grades can be manipulated and I am sure each of the supervisors has his favourite too and fights for hiis men. Simply the nature of any political system so why not just admit it and do it the right way?
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 17, 2012 10:14:18 GMT -5
I also believe that the Supervisor's assessment also counts for a percentage. Fred Wyant said the ratings were so close over the years that the Supervisor's assessment always was the deciding factor. In Wyant's words, "McNally did what he wanted to do (in regards to playoff assignments)."
I wonder if that is the case today?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 11:02:58 GMT -5
I didn't realize Meslow was a rookie, and thought Podraza was at 6 years not 4. Any way that someone could message me the current tenure for all the officials if they have it?
Also: These are the officials remaining for CCs, SB and nothing, correct me if I'm wrong, my chart is a bit cluttered
Anderson, Boger, Carey, Green, Hochuli, Riveron, Triplette Ellison, Jenkins, Michalek Jy. Bergman, Payne, Stabile, Hittner, Mello Stephan, Podraza, A. Hill, Hussey, Phares Weir, Buchanon, Wrolstad, Brown, Zimmer Cheek, Carlsen, DeBell, Weatherford, Hill T. Steratore, Yette, D. Carey, Ferguson, P. Paganelli
The bold names are those who were left off of their normal crew in the WC or DIV rounds
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 11:37:13 GMT -5
Surprised Anderson got left off after everyone else eligible got an assignment or the Pro Bowl. I dont think he was that bad of a ref.
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2012 12:16:33 GMT -5
I lost track....which game did McCauley work?
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Post by russ on Jan 17, 2012 12:29:23 GMT -5
I lost track....which game did McCauley work? He was an alternate in the first round.
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2012 13:07:04 GMT -5
I lost track....which game did McCauley work? He was an alternate in the first round. Whick, at least to my way of thinking because alternates are really consolation prizes, you know you were close but didn't make it so a lot of the old guard, Green, McCauley, Triplette, Anderson, were shut out this season. CJ purging MP favorites?? Hm..now that's a conspiracy theory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 13:18:09 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracy theories, I am waiting for someone to say that neither Boger or Carey got anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 13:38:19 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the officials assigned to work the play-offs. A special nod to the following for making it the last 5 years (pro bowl and alt. not included): REFEREES - 85 Ed Hochuli UMPIRES - 71 Ruben Fowler HEAD LINESMEN - 28 Mark Hittner,79 Kent Payne,26 Mark Baltz LINE JUDGES - 35 John Hussey,9 Mark Perlman FIELD JUDGES - 60 Gary Cavaletto,Craig Wrolstad SIDE JUDGES - 78 Greg Meyer BACK JUDGES - 93 Scott Helverson
Disappointed that once again Mark Baltz and Don Carlsen did not make the super-bowl - I thought they both had a terrific season
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 15:36:20 GMT -5
And the last 4 SB Rs did not get in this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 17:58:43 GMT -5
that is truly amazing - it is almost like you get a ding if you had the SB - just like the older vets - one ding because of age - and a plus if you've been in 2 or 3 years to make you feel good - cj may be closer to reality than I originally thought.
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