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Post by FredFan7 on Feb 14, 2012 23:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by JAYJAYSTRIPES on Feb 15, 2012 7:48:23 GMT -5
Great article on a guy who's a class act through and through...he followed in his late father's footsteps and learned his lessons well. The kind of guy every official should want to emulate.
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Post by JugglingReferee on Feb 15, 2012 10:27:59 GMT -5
Part of the reason why coin tosses are botched is because of a need to call "heads" or "tails".
Put whatever you want on the coin.
And then ask the player to call "NFL Shield" or "Vince Lombardi Trophy".
Get rid of the translation to/from heads/tails.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 11:39:18 GMT -5
I would just put the team logos on each side and flip it and whichever team comes up, that's who wins the toss.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 12:57:24 GMT -5
Exactly correct, put team logos on each side and you can't screw that part up!!
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Post by FredFan7 on Feb 15, 2012 14:35:19 GMT -5
Exactly correct, put team logos on each side and you can't screw that part up!! They've done that for the Rose Bowl for several years and it works just fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:16:08 GMT -5
I think they make such a production out of the coin flip anyway. There are too many people
on the field for this. No wonder, in the past Super Bowls there has been screw ups.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 20:44:14 GMT -5
Imagine if Luckett refed a SB...
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Post by JugglingReferee on Feb 15, 2012 22:58:49 GMT -5
Imagine if Luckett refed a SB... He'd get it right! |
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Post by JugglingReferee on Feb 15, 2012 22:59:39 GMT -5
I would just put the team logos on each side and flip it and whichever team comes up, that's who wins the toss. I've suggested that too in the past, but it then takes away the human element and the enjoying of talking about what will a particular captain choose. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 1:32:14 GMT -5
I would just put the team logos on each side and flip it and whichever team comes up, that's who wins the toss. I've suggested that too in the past, but it then takes away the human element and the enjoying of talking about what will a particular captain choose. plus it would take away from the away team being able to choose if they wanted heads or tails. one thing that in sports, away teams have "an advantage" at |
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Post by nyasablue on Feb 16, 2012 9:20:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks that the football coin toss is one of the most idiotic things in sports? Why can't the home team kickoff, play some D, and stop the other team - which would really get your fans stoked up?
It would certainly both teams - especially the coaches, as you would know going in that your offense/defense would be going out there to start....not to mention which special teams wold be working first too.
The coin toss is such a relic of the flying wedge/two yards and three broken teeth days....
And it would make OT all that much more exciting......
Oh yes, I am a volleyball official, and there is a coin toss for first service there also, but in these days of rally scoring, it really makes no difference one way or another...
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Post by mike on Feb 16, 2012 11:44:06 GMT -5
When I officiated for my town's athletic association when I was in Junior High/High School even for sports like soccer they would have a coin toss. Never understood it because nobody in the town league was good enough that it really made an iota of difference (if you were a good player you would play on one of the teams that competed with other towns and in local tournaments). What can I say it was great money at the time because the guy who headed officiating liked me so would assign me to the highest divisions as the single on-field official so it meant I was getting for some games like $15-$20 for between an 1h00m/1h15m of work and would have anywhere form 4-6 games in a weekend. Not to mention that some of individual division coordinators liked the job I did so anytime they had a make-up game due to weather I would get it and they were very good about informing the director so that I would get paid. One time at the last minute they needed me to work an additional game (had 2 games scheduled that day but a day or two before the official for the 3rd game called in sick) so in addition to offering me that 3rd game at double pay he proceeded to double my pay for all other games I did that day. $100-$120 not bad for 3 1/2 hours of work as a teenager
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Post by nyasablue on Feb 16, 2012 20:43:55 GMT -5
When I officiated for my town's athletic association when I was in Junior High/High School even for sports like soccer they would have a coin toss. Never understood it because nobody in the town league was good enough that it really made an iota of difference (if you were a good player you would play on one of the teams that competed with other towns and in local tournaments). What can I say it was great money at the time because the guy who headed officiating liked me so would assign me to the highest divisions as the single on-field official so it meant I was getting for some games like $15-$20 for between an 1h00m/1h15m of work and would have anywhere form 4-6 games in a weekend. Not to mention that some of individual division coordinators liked the job I did so anytime they had a make-up game due to weather I would get it and they were very good about informing the director so that I would get paid. One time at the last minute they needed me to work an additional game (had 2 games scheduled that day but a day or two before the official for the 3rd game called in sick) so in addition to offering me that 3rd game at double pay he proceeded to double my pay for all other games I did that day. $100-$120 not bad for 3 1/2 hours of work as a teenager High school volleyball (at least in my part of New York State) is crazy money. Up to last year we would get $62 a match for what amounted to an hour or or so match - this is at what NY calls the 'modified' level, i.e.. middle school. At that level, the kids are still learning, so there is a LOT service into the net, service that falls in between kids who are looking at each other, etc. One of my first matches ever, I working alone (fairly common in those days), and was there at 4 for the warmups as required for a 4:30 match. Both coaches were done with the warmups early, and wanted to start early, so we started a bit early, around 4:20 or so. I was literally walking out of that building at 5:05!  I literally felt like Willie Sutton walking out of a bank! At the JV and varsity levels, they play a combined dual match consisting of a straight 3 set JV match, then a best of 5 Varsity match. for that currently you get about......$129 - but its a long night - if you go to that 5th set in the varsity match, you sometimes don't get out of there until after 8 pm! Even though I am only a modified official, if the local assigning agency (who know me very well from 20 years of softball) gets desparate, they will call me to do one of those in a pinch. Last year, though, something happened. With all the budget crap going on everywhere, it was decided for the modified kids they would save bus trips by eliminating a trip for each match up and making every match a DOUBLE match, with our fee being about $120 per official ;D - still only took about 90-110 minutes for that...and....I ended up with the EXACT same number of assignments I had had the previous season - about 17 --- do the math! And I only spent about $200 total for my gas!  And, oh yes, my high softball season usually consists of about 30 games a year, about 5 of which are modified at 62, and the rest JV at $72.....all without assigning fees ;D |
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Post by nyasablue on Feb 16, 2012 20:47:35 GMT -5
And oh yeah, to get back to coin flips, for volleyball and softball tournaments, I go to my local bank, and try and find an Eisenhower Dollar....nice and big and theres no doubt whats heads and tails. And it only costs a buck!
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I literally felt like Willie Sutton walking out of a bank!