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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 28, 2023 17:43:41 GMT -5
Enjoy the games and post observations here!
Falcons at Titans — Clay Martin Texans at Panthers — John Hussey Jaguars at Steelers — Alan Eck Rams at Cowboys — Adrian Hill Vikings at Packers — Shawn Hochuli Patriots at Dolphins — Land Clark Saints at Colts — Craig Wrolstad Jets at Giants — Shawn Smith Eagles at Commanders — Carl Cheffers Browns at Seahawks — Bill Vinovich Ravens at Cardinals — Tra Blake Bengals at 49ers — Ron Torbert Chiefs at Broncos — Brad Allen 150TH GAME AS REFEREE Bears at Chargers NBC PEACOCK — Brad Rogers
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Post by zebrablog on Oct 29, 2023 11:02:23 GMT -5
Substitutions
*R. Baynes for Bergman on Hill's crew (LAR-DAL) *Stritesky -- ?
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 12:19:41 GMT -5
A portion of Hochuli's crew getting ready in Green Bay.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 13:14:58 GMT -5
Referee Clay Martin and umpire James Carter do a good job holding the whistle on this slow-developing fumble and defensive recovery.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 13:16:05 GMT -5
Legal in the pros, but if you call games under NFHS rules, this is a hurdling foul on the ball carrier.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 13:50:59 GMT -5
Shawn channeling his dad:
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 14:32:37 GMT -5
Pull and shoot defensive holding:
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 15:31:46 GMT -5
It is important for officials to track details for efficient game management. This includes where to spot the ball after an incomplete pass.
Giants had an incomplete pass on 2nd down, which obviously is just respotted at the previous line of scrimmage, which includes the same position between the inbound lines.
When the Giants come to the line on 3rd down, it is spotted at the left hashmark. Umpire Bryan Neale recognizes this is not right before the snap and respots it between the hashmarks as it was on 2nd down. Obviously, it would have been better if it was spotted correctly to begin with, but at least the correction was made. And, yes, teams are very particular about the position of the ball between the hashes, and sometimes affects the play call.
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Post by zebrablog on Oct 29, 2023 16:12:22 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 19:00:02 GMT -5
Side judge Dominique Pender makes an excellent call at the goal line as Dolphins tight end Durham Smythe is stopped just short. Positioning right at the pylon is key here to making the correct call. Smythe is hit and spins as he goes to the ground, and the ball never breaks the plane of the goal line.
It doesn’t get closer.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 19:01:43 GMT -5
Eddy Piñeiro finally gets the game-winning field goal to count, but Texans cornerback Tavierre Thomas was trying to cheat-code a way to prevent it.
With the ball spotted at the 20 for a 37-yard kick, Thomas jumped offside across the line. Since he had an unabated path to the kicker, officials shut the play down prior to the snap. Despite this, Thomas roughed the holder, which was also a foul. The offside was declined and the personal foul was assessed half the distance.
From the 10, Thomas once again jumped offside with an unabated shot. Even though Piñeiro gets the ball through the uprights, they cannot count the play since the snap was shut down. Referee John Hussey announced that this was an unsportsmanlike conduct foul for consecutive fouls.
This is technically not the way the rule is written, which applies to two consecutive delay of game fouls or "multiple fouls to manipulate the game clock." The latter applies to situations intended to drain the clock. In order to justify that in this situation, it is manipulating the clock in a sense. Thomas's actions either kill the snap or will allow the clock to run (and an untimed down after the penalty), which is a judgment call as to which one applies. So it has the potential to drain the clock, which is not the best justification. The unsportsmanlike intentional fouls might have exploited a rulebook gap, but in this case it is moot, because the penalty is 5 yards (offside or half-distance unsportsmanlike) either way.
Piñeiro connected on the third kick, and TV indicated there was a flag, which might have just been picked up as being a moot
Had the intentional unabated offside fouls continued, Hussey next could have issued a warning that any further intentional fouls would be a palpably unfair act and award the score. This is supported by Rule 12-3-2:
For successive or repeated fouls to prevent a score: If the violation is repeated after a warning, the score involved is awarded to the offensive team.
A palpably unfair act has not been called in the NFL. According to Quirky Research, an NFL official who was double-dipping and working a college game in 1951 did call one in a case of repeated penalties to deny a score.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 19:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 29, 2023 20:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by agpennypacker on Oct 29, 2023 20:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by bigorange1 on Oct 29, 2023 20:33:25 GMT -5
This was just the first whistle error. Right before 2:00 in 2Q, Kmet from the Bears should have scored, but we have Rogers' crew.... so he didn't.
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