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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 18:26:09 GMT -5
R 83 Shawn Hochuli U 77 Terry Killens DJ 106 Patrick Holt LJ 47 Tim Podraza FJ 90 Anthony Flemming SJ 103 Eugene Hall BJ 78 Greg Meyer RO Tyler Cerimeli RA Tim Robinson ALT R Craig Wrolstad ALT U Ramon George ALT LJ Rusty Baynes ALT SJ Chad Hill ALT BJ Jimmy Russell
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jan 21, 2024 18:46:04 GMT -5
Isn’t illegal batting a 5 yd penalty?
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Post by goodgrr on Jan 21, 2024 18:59:44 GMT -5
Isn’t illegal batting a 5 yd penalty? "Penalty: For illegal batting or kicking the ball: Loss of 10 yards. If the foul is by Team A before possession changes during a scrimmage down: Loss of down and loss of 10 yards except for a foul by Team A beyond the line of scrimmage during a scrimmage kick, in which case there is no loss of down."
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 19:07:03 GMT -5
On the first play from scrimmage, a fumble is loose and Bills tight end Dalton Kincaid scoots the ball out of bounds. Outside of the end zones, a player cannot bat the ball toward their opponent's goal line. Since the bat moved the ball forward, this is a 10-yard penalty for an illegal bat from the spot of the foul. Since the offense gets credit for the play up to the point of the illegal bat, this is a loss of down penalty as well.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 19:07:50 GMT -5
A lot of fireworks on the officiating front in the first few plays of the game. On the third play from scrimmage, Bills quarterback Josh Allen threw a backward pass to Taron Johnson who advanced for a big gain. At first glance, it looks like the pass was backward, but the key is to watch where the ball is released compared to where it is first touched following the pass.
Allen releases the pass at the Buffalo 32-yard line, and it is first touched somewhere between the 32 and a half-yard line and the 33-yard line, indicating a forward pass, even though very barely. This play is reviewable but not subject to automatic review, requiring a challenge by Kansas City. Head coach Andy Reid decided not to challenge the play, and Buffalo converted on fourth down on the subsequent play.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 19:08:46 GMT -5
Stephon Diggs bobbles a pass and collides with Chiefs defender Mike Edwards.
There was a question about a personal foul, but this was just an unfortunate wreck.
Line judge Tim Podraza initially came in to spot the ball like it was a completed pass. But the pass was obviously incomplete. How did that happen?
Diggs momentarily screened Podraza from the ball. Last time the line judge saw Diggs with the ball it was in his hands. He was screened and the next time he saw Diggs he was on the ground in "possession" of the ball. The cross-field officials had a better view and quickly came in and made the right call.
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Post by psu213 on Jan 21, 2024 20:49:20 GMT -5
Stephon Diggs bobbles a pass and collides with Chiefs defender Mike Edwards. There was a question about a personal foul, but this was just an unfortunate wreck. Line judge Tim Podraza initially came in to spot the ball like it was a completed pass. But the pass was obviously incomplete. How did that happen? Diggs momentarily screened Podraza from the ball. Last time the line judge saw Diggs with the ball it was in his hands. He was screened and the next time he saw Diggs he was on the ground in "possession" of the ball. The cross-field officials had a better view and quickly came in and made the right call. On the replay you could see the BJ signal incomplete right away (before the spot was made). Should he (the BJ) been more emphatic/clear about the incomplete signal?
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Post by russ on Jan 21, 2024 21:20:09 GMT -5
Very iffy DPI call from Greg Meyer. LB hit Rashee Rice as he was running his route but it looked like it happened before the pass was in the air. Should not have been called IMO.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 21:26:22 GMT -5
No foul was called for this hit by the Chiefs' Nick Bolton on Bills quarterback Josh Allen, and we agree with the no-call. Allen was not sliding or diving, and therefore was not giving himself up. He was tripped up where Bolton subsequently fell on him. He is not awarded sliding quarterback protection and the contact is bang-bang with respect to contacting a downed player, so we support the no-call.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 21:36:31 GMT -5
Side judge Eugene Hall, one of the best in the business, is all over this Khalil Shakir touchdown catch. Once Shakir got one knee down in bounds and kept control of the ball, it was a touchdown.
Tight call, and Hall was right on it and got it right in real time.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 21:37:53 GMT -5
Isiah Pacheco runs to the goal line and is ruled down by down judge Patrick Holt.
Instant replay looks at the play and rules that Pacheco fumbled the ball in the field of play. The ball rolled through the end zone and out of bounds. By rule, this is is a turnover, a touchback and the defense gets the ball at the 20-yard line.
People may hate the rule, but the officials properly enforced it.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 21:38:57 GMT -5
After a conference, the officials flagged Dorian Williams for defensive pass interference. The Bills almost got off the field, but got a new series.
The key behind this play was this: the contact was within five yards. This is legal as long as the pass isn't in the air.
The subsequent replay after the penalty announcement shows the contact before the pass, which is legal. This appears to be an incorrect call.
After their new lease on life, the Chiefs ended up punting, so the mistaken call didn't result in a score.
Edit: After further review, we haven't found a casebook instance where replay can assist. We are double checking.
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Post by psu213 on Jan 21, 2024 22:12:42 GMT -5
After a conference, the officials flagged Dorian Williams for defensive pass interference. The Bills almost got off the field, but got a new series. The key behind this play was this: the contact was within five yards. This is legal as long as the pass isn't in the air. Replay appeared to assist the officials before the final call of pass interference. The subsequent replay after the penalty announcement shows the contact before the pass, which is legal. This appears to be an incorrect call. After their new lease on life, the Chiefs ended up punting, so the mistaken call didn't result in a score. Is replay even supposed to assist in that play? What is the point if they are going to be (blatantly) wrong?
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 22:13:26 GMT -5
Stephon Diggs bobbles a pass and collides with Chiefs defender Mike Edwards. There was a question about a personal foul, but this was just an unfortunate wreck. Line judge Tim Podraza initially came in to spot the ball like it was a completed pass. But the pass was obviously incomplete. How did that happen? Diggs momentarily screened Podraza from the ball. Last time the line judge saw Diggs with the ball it was in his hands. He was screened and the next time he saw Diggs he was on the ground in "possession" of the ball. The cross-field officials had a better view and quickly came in and made the right call. On the replay you could see the BJ signal incomplete right away (before the spot was made). Should he (the BJ) been more emphatic/clear about the incomplete signal? I quick glance by Podraza would have helped. I think the other officials saw it so obviously incomplete they didn't feel the need to fly in and make an emphatic signal. A kangaroo court moment, but ultimately no harm came of it.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jan 21, 2024 22:14:42 GMT -5
After a conference, the officials flagged Dorian Williams for defensive pass interference. The Bills almost got off the field, but got a new series. The key behind this play was this: the contact was within five yards. This is legal as long as the pass isn't in the air. Replay appeared to assist the officials before the final call of pass interference. The subsequent replay after the penalty announcement shows the contact before the pass, which is legal. This appears to be an incorrect call. After their new lease on life, the Chiefs ended up punting, so the mistaken call didn't result in a score. Is replay even supposed to assist in that play? What is the point if they are going to be (blatantly) wrong? EDIT: See above edit. We cannot find a casebook reference where expedited replay can step in on a play like this. We are double checking.
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