Super Bowl 58 observations

[FredFan7]

Good luck to the crew and may only the people on this site be talking about you in eight hours!

R 52 Bill Vinovich
U 77 Terry Killens
DJ 106 Patrick Holt
LJ 9 Mark Perlman
FJ 97 Tom Hill
SJ 56 Allen Baynes
BJ 88 Brad Freeman
RO Mike Chase
RA Jack Persampire
ALT R Shawn Smith
ALT U Barry Anderson
ALT DJ Dana McKenzie
ALT LJ Tim Podraza
ALT FJ Nate Jones
ALT SJ Anthony Jeffries
ALT BJ Greg Wilson
ALT RO Tyler Cerimeli

[FredFan7]

[harrys]

Good luck to the crew!

[exhockeyref]

Looking forward to a great game. Sadly, the end of the season--hope the refs go out with a great game!

[FredFan7]

Classy coin toss.

[FredFan7]

Line judge Mark Perlman is the picture of calm on the first big play of the game. Perlman approached the pile, looked and calmly made the signal.

No diving, no wrestling with players to find possession.

When things get crazy, that is when the officials have to be most calm.

[tj888]

Missed OPI call on Brandon Aiyuk (SF #11) at the 7:27 mark in the 1st quarter.

[FredFan7]

After being backed up by a false start by their left tackle Trent Williams, the 49ers were further backed up after Williams committed a hold against Chiefs defensive end Mike Danna.


Williams grabbed inside the left sleeve just outside of Danna's shoulder pad, causing a material restriction and preventing the defensive rush of the quarterback.


Umpire Terry Killens, in his first Super Bowl (as an official), nailed the call.

[FredFan7]

Any time the ball carrier buckles when the defender grabs the name plate, that is a flag all day.

[FredFan7]

Patrick Mahomes tries to save a sack by heaving a shovel pass which lands incomplete. Referee Bill Vinovich calls intentional grounding on the play.


Mahomes did not get the ball back to the line of scrimmage, which is one of the criteria allowed for legal grounding by a scrambling quarterback outside of the pocket.


Tight end Noah Gray came back for the ball and was able to get a few yards away when the pass landed. Was it enough to be in the area of the pass? Gray was still 5 yards downfield when the ball hits the turf behind the line. So, there was no intent to get downfield where a receiver was, even though the ball lands outside the numbers where Gray also is. It's a tight call, but this is grounding.


Replay provided an assist on the position of the ball to confirm that it did not cross the line of scrimmage.

[FredFan7]

Nick Bolton with a silly loss of composure foul right in front of at least three officials. No need to talk-to on this call. This is in the open and must be called to keep game control.

[exhockeyref]

So far this game has been mostly miscues rather than good plays, but the officials seem on top of things. That's especially hard when so many crazy things are happening.

[bigorange1]

Feb 11, 2024 20:00:22 GMT -5 FredFan7 said:

Patrick Mahomes tries to save a sack by heaving a shovel pass which lands incomplete. Referee Bill Vinovich calls intentional grounding on the play.


Mahomes did not get the ball back to the line of scrimmage, which is one of the criteria allowed for legal grounding by a scrambling quarterback outside of the pocket.


Tight end Noah Gray came back for the ball and was able to get a few yards away when the pass landed. Was it enough to be in the area of the pass? Gray was still 5 yards downfield when the ball hits the turf behind the line. So, there was no intent to get downfield where a receiver was, even though the ball lands outside the numbers where Gray also is. It's a tight call, but this is grounding.


Replay provided an assist on the position of the ball to confirm that it did not cross the line of scrimmage.

I'll side with Steratore on this one and disagree with the grounding call. I feel as though the whole context of the play has to be considered, not just component by component.

[FredFan7]

The double-pass play is slow to develop, and the linemen must all stand their ground and avoid the temptation to go downfield too early. At other levels, the fact that the pass is behind the line of scrimmage negates a flag for ineligible-downfield on a pass (IDP).


When the forward pass is released -- which is when this still image is taken -- everyone is still behind the line of scrimmage (21-yard line). Everything is in order.

[FredFan7]

OT! In case anyone is wondering, the longest NFL post-season game is 82:40 on December 25, 1971.

www.footballzebras.com/2019/12/nfl100-when-john-mcdonough-called-the-longest-game-on-christmas-day/