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Post by bulldog6878 on Dec 1, 2010 18:23:15 GMT -5
I am beginning to believe that based on the number of Nationally televised games Ron Winter has officaited, he will be a top contender for the SUperbowl The amount of games being worked on National TV has nothing to do with being the possible Super Bowl Referee. Thank you, Mark. I did not know this.
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Post by becky10 on Dec 1, 2010 18:34:25 GMT -5
Last year, I thought that either Anderson or Morelli would get the Super Bowl. Green's assignment to the Super Bowl came out of nowhere, and I know that several people on this site were very surprised as well. Here are the categories I place referees in with regards to getting a Super Bowl assignment: Window is Almost ClosedAnderson Carey Green Hochuli (Sorry Becky) Winter Feel free to agree or disagree! Noooooooooo Zach on the Hochuli almost closed..... He has a personal trainer now ;D & will be better than ever now & next yr.. You all just wait!!!! ;D
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 1, 2010 19:25:47 GMT -5
Last year, I thought that either Anderson or Morelli would get the Super Bowl. Green's assignment to the Super Bowl came out of nowhere, and I know that several people on this site were very surprised as well. Here are the categories I place referees in with regards to getting a Super Bowl assignment: Window is Far From Being OpenBlakeman (obviously) Riveron Window is Almost OpenBoger Cheffers Window Just OpenedParry Steratore Window is Wide OpenCorrente Leavy McAulay Morelli Window is Almost ClosedAnderson Carey Green Hochuli (Sorry Becky) Winter Window is ClosedColeman Triplette Feel free to agree or disagree! I pretty much agree with this. I would have thought Morelli would have gotten a Super Bowl as a white hat by now (remember that Morelli and Anderson have worked a Super Bowl at another position) and his window might have started to close. I think the "almost closed" category is mostly due to an official's age. All of those officials are pushing 60 or into their 60s, and there are just so many years left to get that coveted Super Bowl. In this category I hope Winter gets it then Anderson as those two have not tossed the coin in February yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 20:12:15 GMT -5
Some officials just don't improve after a certain time. This was true with McElwee, and certainly with White and Blum. It is also true with the other positions. A few seemingly deserving officials never get a SB, to the surprise of the officials on their crew (e.g. Tunney's surprise that Pat Harder never got a SB). I hope that guys like Parry and Steratore aren't that unlucky.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 22:39:30 GMT -5
Some regress. Just look at the alternates at R over the past 5 or 6 seasons and see how many have not been close to getting a SB or even a CC since.
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Post by zcr57 on Dec 1, 2010 22:59:39 GMT -5
Some regress. Just look at the alternates at R over the past 5 or 6 seasons and see how many have not been close to getting a SB or even a CC since. Good point. Triplette and Coleman were Super Bowl alternates in 2006 and 2007, respectively, and I don't think either one of them has had a playoff assignment since 2007.
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 1, 2010 23:14:28 GMT -5
There are many interesting cases of referees peaking short of a Super Bowl or never getting a consistent playoff run going.
Dale Hamer and Jeff Triplette both worked Conference Championships and were on track for the Super Bowl. Hamer never quite made it and Triplette looks to have lost his way. Tom White in his early years at R worked several playoff games and seemed to be on an upward track, but then he lost his way and became a punching bag and punch line for many. Gary Lane followed a similar track as White although he didn't receive the slings and arrows.
Others were lost for awhile but got it back. Tony Corrente missed three straight playoffs before getting the Super Bowl nod. While not yet assigned a Super Bowl, Winter for several years was left without a chair when the music stopped playing, but he has put together a nice little playoff run.
Others were Super Bowl officials at other positions but couldn't replicate that playoff and Super Bowl magic at R: Tom Dooley, Phil Luckett, Gary Lane, Dale Hamer, Johnny Grier, and Larry Nemmers.
There are others that never get over the hump which is a mystery to many observers. Fred Wyant, Gordon McCarter, Chuck Heberling, Pat Harder, Ed Fiffick, Jack Johnson, Mark Baltz are just a few of many who, in my opinion, should have gotten the Super Bowl nod but didn't.
Some want a rotation system, others like the grading system. However you slice it, each NFL official has an interesting career arc and story.
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Post by mike on Dec 2, 2010 6:38:41 GMT -5
I think Harder and Fiffick fell victim to the fact that they probably worked during the apex of quality Umpires (though today's group with Paganelli, DeFelice, Hall, Wash, Fowler, and Ellison sure give them a run for the money). Between 1982 and 1995 I think there were only 2 U's who received Super Bowl assignments that did not work multiple (Tom Hensley and Hendi Ancich). Guys like Al Conway, Bob Boylston, Art Demmas, Gordon Wells, and Ron Botchan all worked multiple Super Bowls during that time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 23:03:26 GMT -5
TRIVIA Who is the only active NFL official to work more than 1 super bowl at different positions neither one being referee ?
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 2, 2010 23:35:05 GMT -5
TRIVIA Who is the only active NFL official to work more than 1 super bowl at different positions neither one being referee ? Without peaking, let me guess Ron Phares #10 at the HL and LJ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 23:41:48 GMT -5
Fred you are correct Ron has worked 2 super bowls as a HL and 1 as a LJ
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 0:36:41 GMT -5
Yea but HL and LJ are nearly interchangeable. Thought you meant like LJ and FJ for example.
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