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Post by becky10 on Oct 9, 2011 21:34:31 GMT -5
Did a college game two weeks ago with numbers 39, 40, 41, and 42 on the crew. Since when did college officials get numbers? I will answer for #JugglingReferee >>>> Canadian!
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Post by zcr57 on Oct 9, 2011 21:39:12 GMT -5
Things are getting a little testy in Atlanta...
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Post by timdaye on Oct 10, 2011 12:28:16 GMT -5
If anyone can find video of Tim Tebow's last hail mary pass yesterday, can you please post it. It seems to me I saw Denver #12 get pushed OOB while the ball was in the air and he almost made the catch. Two things come to mind, 1) I know they rarely call DPI on hail mary's, but I think that is one that could have been called. 2) never saw covering official drop his hat. If Den#12 had been the first to touch that ball, could that have been overturned on replay?
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Post by cj on Oct 10, 2011 12:45:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that is revieable and of course it's both in the last 2 minutes and a scoring play so it's a clear booth review (receiver stepping out of bounds is a black or white call not a judgment call, either he did or he didn't). You see, though, that points out one of the flaws of the whole IR system where this is reviewable and that isn't.
I posted in the week 4 observation, which probably nobody read, the idea that on the Sanchez "empty hand" play, the Ravens defender was fined 15g for an illegal hit. Being a scoring play, it was reviewed. The problem is, rtp or leading with the helmet is not reviewable but all scoring plays are. So there is Carey under the hood and he affirms his call of empty hand and he sees as clear as possible an illegal hit to the qb, a call he missed. Now leading with the helmet is really not a judgment call, either he did or he didn't. Should that be reviewable? And if as Perieira said earlier than with this new rule all actions on a scoring play become fair game, well if something that blatant is seen, we let it go?
I know all the ramifications both ways and yes it's a tricky thing. So in the example here, the ball is caught and the review shows yes the receiver went out of bounds and was the first too touch but it was an illegal hit out of bounds....what's right and what's wrong? Should the official have some discretion yes the guy went out of bounds but it was on an illegal hit in other words dpi. It just opens up a pandora's box and I really don't have an answer.
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Post by timdaye on Oct 10, 2011 12:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by plbell627 on Oct 10, 2011 14:16:48 GMT -5
Who made the right call on the onside kick in the Pittsburgh/Tenneessee game 2 officals were pointing the othjer way who was finally right the clip i saw didn't give an answer. That was definately one for the books.
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Post by hank on Oct 10, 2011 16:31:56 GMT -5
Steratore's crew gets a 3.9 from me. I have a hard time giving a crew a perfect score for any game, because there's no such thing as a "perfectly" officiated game. Especially when the crew is not near perfect. Thanks for locating the video Timdaye, tremendous oversight by Steratore's crew - where was D. Paganelli? Blatant and crucial missed call.
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Post by zcr57 on Oct 10, 2011 18:23:35 GMT -5
Steratore's crew gets a 3.9 from me. I have a hard time giving a crew a perfect score for any game, because there's no such thing as a "perfectly" officiated game. Especially when the crew is not near perfect. Thanks for locating the video Timdaye, tremendous oversight by Steratore's crew - where was D. Paganelli? Blatant and crucial missed call. I gave the crew a 3.9 before I saw that video. That brings them down to a 3.4. Not sure how they missed that one.
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Post by zebrablog on Oct 10, 2011 21:27:21 GMT -5
The Hail Mary attempt for the Broncos: I am not sure that is pass interference, but I can't be certain because the replay angle doesn't start early enough.
It looks like the receiver and the safety were locking up with each other and not playing a pass. Since they were mutually impeding each other, I say no call. But, I would need to see some more of the pre-pass activity in the end zone to make a definitive call.
That said, the defender got an additional break. Because of the non-call, the receiver was overpowered, and thus knocked out of bounds, rendering him an ineligible receiver (though, the Hail Mary passes have more deflected catches than most plays).
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Post by hank on Oct 10, 2011 22:04:19 GMT -5
The Hail Mary attempt for the Broncos: I am not sure that is pass interference, but I can't be certain because the replay angle doesn't start early enough. It looks like the receiver and the safety were locking up with each other and not playing a pass. Since they were mutually impeding each other, I say no call. But, I would need to see some more of the pre-pass activity in the end zone to make a definitive call. That said, the defender got an additional break. Because of the non-call, the receiver was overpowered, and thus knocked out of bounds, rendering him an ineligible receiver (though, the Hail Mary passes have more deflected catches than most plays). They were locking up with each other and a flag should have been thrown. Here is what is definite, while the ball was in the air the San Diego defender engaged the Denver receiver, drove him out of bounds with two full steps disengaged turned, pivoted, hopped and made a play on the ball. Any pre-pass activity would not be pass interference. Hail Mary/jump balls need to be called the same as any pass attempt. It is no different than a fade/jump ball pass in the corner of the endzone from the 7 yard line. PI can be so subjective and at times may even be a ticky-tacky call, even if both players commit a foul a call needs to be made - period!
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 10, 2011 22:34:13 GMT -5
Did a college game two weeks ago with numbers 39, 40, 41, and 42 on the crew. Since when did college officials get numbers? In Canada, officials at all levels wear numbers.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 10, 2011 22:42:02 GMT -5
Especially when the crew is not near perfect. Thanks for locating the video Timdaye, tremendous oversight by Steratore's crew - where was D. Paganelli? Blatant and crucial missed call. I gave the crew a 3.9 before I saw that video. That brings them down to a 3.4. Not sure how they missed that one. If that contact was before the pass, then the proper call is "illegal contact," 5-yards, auto first down, untimed down. However, by rule, when the QB scrambles out of the pocket, the there can be no illegal contact because it can either be a run or a pass. So, I'll excuse the officials for not calling DPI or illegal contact. Still, should a hat have been thrown? Yes. Are we SURE Dino didn't drop his hat? He only had something to flag if the offensive player was FIRST to touch the pass. Was he first to touch?
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 10, 2011 22:47:06 GMT -5
Saw the replay two more times. Was the ball in the air when contact was made? Looks like it. But, the official woudn't have flagged a "looks like it." He'll flag one he thinks is sure. Man I wish we had official review.....
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 10, 2011 22:51:34 GMT -5
Watched part of SNF. I thought Jeff Bergman had a very good game. He channled his dad when a Falcons' receiver argued with him regarding the forward progress spot. He must have reallly cussed him out or attacked his integrity.
He ruled a catch that was over ruled on replay due to "process of the catch." But, all in all, I thought he did well.
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Post by FredFan7 on Oct 10, 2011 23:04:05 GMT -5
Video of Steve Smith being cheap shot. That won't get someone the gate in the NFL, but might get them a fine. Might get someone the hook in NCAA, and most likely in NFHS. bit.ly/q5LoPm
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