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Post by FredFan7 on May 21, 2011 0:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on May 22, 2011 20:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on May 22, 2011 20:37:32 GMT -5
Angel Campos calls a borderline pitch a ball and ejects the catcher and manager. People need to get over the myth that "as long as the catcher doesn't turn around they can have their say." The batter was standing right there. What if the catcher, while looking out at the pitcher, got profane or personal with Campos, or told Campos that his zone was *&&@)@*#. The batter then walks back to the dugout after his at-bat and reports that Campos let the catcher walk all over him. Campos will then have both teams riding him all day. The catcher broke the rules over arguing about balls and strikes or got personal with Campos and Campos enforced the rules. Period. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15095195
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Post by zcr57 on May 22, 2011 22:06:49 GMT -5
Campos missed the call but Treanor showed him up which is why he got the thumb.
Why do announcers insist on blasting umpires every time they toss a player or manager? If I were a major league umpire, I would want nothing to do with announcers...
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Post by cj on May 23, 2011 0:57:04 GMT -5
Campos missed the call but Treanor showed him up which is why he got the thumb. Why do announcers insist on blasting umpires every time they toss a player or manager? If I were a major league umpire, I would want nothing to do with announcers... Apparently some don't or perhaps mlb has indicated to them they are not to discuss matters with the media and hence to the fans. Years ago, umpires did talk to the press and presented their side of issues but along with the virtual control mlb desires, that practice was stopped and only during the playoffs are umpires publically questioned sometimes. I'll use the example of the recent Washington series in New York against the Mets. Bill Miller was the crew chief. On Wednesday, during the seventh inning with teh Nats trailing 3-0, the skies opened up and it was pouring. Miller insisted the game continue and the field quickly became clearly unplayable (baseball's antinquated rules regarding less than nine inning "official" games played a role here, obviously. Of course clueless Bud had illegally changed the rule for playoff and World Series games several years ago when he didn't want the Phillies to win a rain shortened game and end the World Series. That same change should be made for regular season games. All games not played to conclusion should be considered suspended games and completed at the next opportunity and games called before 4 1/2 or 5 innings dependending on whether the home team is ahead should also be suspended and completed at the next opportunity. That way we don't get into this ridiculous situation). Anyway before I detoured myself with baseball absurd rules regarding official games. before the bottom of the seventh, the ground crew came out to try to make the infield more playable and was putting the drying sand onthe field with it still raining and Miller did not allow them to finish the task. The rest of the game was played out in a steady rain and several of the fielders on the infield were standing in mud but thankfully nobody was injured. Miller refused to meet with the prss to explain his ludicrous decision to continue play. Then the next afternoon we had the Cuzzi play described here. Again Miller and Cuzzi refused to meet with the press to discuss the play (everybody could see they blew the play. Wouldn't it be refreshing to meet the press and say it was a tough call and yes we blew it and we're sorry if it affected the game like Joyce did last year?) or the claim the Nat gm had verbally abused them. Even the ultra secret NFL lets a pool reporter in to meet with the referee to get their side of controversial plays. This should be a general rule in mlb.
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Post by cball1985 on May 23, 2011 23:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on May 24, 2011 0:29:55 GMT -5
Those Cleveland announcers can get back to me when they announce a perfect game. I mean, you're just sitting there, how can you get behind on the count? How could you forget that the RF was subbed last inning and you're still announcing the old guy there? I mean you're just SITTING there WATCHING BASEBALL. Why did you call that last pitch a slider instead of a fastball? Let me know when you're able to call an entire game without hitting the cough button. Blah.
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Post by FredFan7 on May 24, 2011 1:16:08 GMT -5
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Post by howard63 on May 24, 2011 9:08:53 GMT -5
It appeared Rob Drake had the best angle on the play. From the replay, you can't tell if the pitcher touched the base or not when he kicked at it. As far as the announcers are concerned, remember they are paid by the team and thus have a dog in the fight. I do think,however, they should have known why Bruce Dreckman got over there. As crew chief, of course it's his job to get involved if arguments start to become heated.
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Post by FredFan7 on May 24, 2011 23:09:29 GMT -5
Usually the crew chief comes over and plays "rodeo clown" to get the ejectee off the field after he has said his piece.
The second-most-senior umpire usually comes over if the crew chief does the tossing.
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Post by FredFan7 on May 24, 2011 23:28:12 GMT -5
Mark Wegner ejects Jim Tracy over a play at the plate. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15145695I am more and more impressed with the restraint shown by umpires this year. You really can't argue if there's only one person doing the screaming and arm waving. It takes great personal restraint and poise to remain calm while being called male or female reproductive organs, feminine hygiene products, or are being accused of un-natural or illegal acts. If this trend continues, eventually the players and managers might realize that they look completely childish and foolish while screaming at a calm and dignified umpire and they might curb their actions. Or, maybe not.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2011 23:31:47 GMT -5
Fred if an announcer makes a mistake on the count, who's playing right field, etc., it will have no effect on the outcome of the game. However if an umpire makes a mistake it very well could decide the outcome. You could clearly see at 1:01 the pitcher's foot clearly "flexed" indicating he had touched first base. Yes I had the advantage of slow motion replay but I believe the Indians announcer made a good point, why was this call missed? Rob Drake is a major league umpire making a six figure salary. This call should not be missed and there are similar missed calls on the two Umpiring Discussion threads. Perhaps a system should be implemented where if an umpire accumulates too many "dings" for missed calls he should spend some time in AAA to regain his focus. Of course we all know that once you become full time MLB you are set till retirement.
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Post by FredFan7 on May 25, 2011 0:35:47 GMT -5
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Post by nyasablue on May 25, 2011 6:15:31 GMT -5
Fred if an announcer makes a mistake on the count, who's playing right field, etc., it will have no effect on the outcome of the game. However if an umpire makes a mistake it very well could decide the outcome. You could clearly see at 1:01 the pitcher's foot clearly "flexed" indicating he had touched first base. Yes I had the advantage of slow motion replay but I believe the Indians announcer made a good point, why was this call missed? Rob Drake is a major league umpire making a six figure salary. This call should not be missed and there are similar missed calls on the two Umpiring Discussion threads. Perhaps a system should be implemented where if an umpire accumulates too many "dings" for missed calls he should spend some time in AAA to regain his focus. Of course we all know that once you become full time MLB you are set till retirement. I will bet serious money that the P's foot MISSED that bag. Drake was looking right at the bag from a perfect angle. If the TV people had a angle from the outfield, you would see space between his foot and the bag. And Rule #1 about watching stuff like this is: Never Listen to the Talking Heads. Especially when they are the home announcing crew. And as far as the 'accountability issue is concrened - its obvious that you have never officiated ANY kind of game at any kind of serious level.
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Post by zcr57 on May 25, 2011 7:07:29 GMT -5
Mark Wegner ejects Jim Tracy over a play at the plate. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15145695I am more and more impressed with the restraint shown by umpires this year. You really can't argue if there's only one person doing the screaming and arm waving. It takes great personal restraint and poise to remain calm while being called male or female reproductive organs, feminine hygiene products, or are being accused of un-natural or illegal acts. If this trend continues, eventually the players and managers might realize that they look completely childish and foolish while screaming at a calm and dignified umpire and they might curb their actions. Or, maybe not. Wegner did a good job of making sure Saunders had the ball before he made the out call.
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