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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 19, 2011 11:15:27 GMT -5
Boger's crew certainly had a flag fest in St. Louis, including this double dipper on Rams OL Harvey Dahl. After getting called for holding, Dahl expresses a little disagreement with the flag (warning: audible adult language) and gets dinged for unsportsmanlike conduct. Woooooooowwwww. That was the most blatant open mic pick-up I've heard. Boger had no choice but to flag Dahl. Maybe not with a closed mic, but if you go up to the referee and curse the call WITH THE REFEREE'S MIC ON, the flag must fly. Jerry Markbreit has a story about his open mic, but Jerry was the one with the bleepable words.
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 19, 2011 11:41:09 GMT -5
Brady shook hands with Carey after the final kneel down today. No back slapping, just a "good game" handshake. I don't mind it. It would be more of an issue if the official refused a handshake offered to him - would look like a snub. Now if an official went LOOKING to shake hands, back slap, etc., I would have an issue with it. Agree - officials should never seek out a player, but I have had MANY players come to me after a game and say "nice game" or "thank you." At the HS level, most coaches encourage it from a sportsmanship perspective, and I have no problem with it. I have a little more of a problem if the official is used as a celebration prop like in the following link. sbn.to/tMJlYUBanks Williams was one time hugged, picked up, and spun around by an excited member of the offense. Look, I'm not going to yank my hands down, or flag someone high-fiving my TD signal. I'd tell that player to please not use me as a prop the next time his team scores. This happens maybe once or twice a year so I don't think the league has to do something about it. If it gets more out of control, I think the NLFRA will ask the league to step in.....
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30:58 GMT -5
Here's the Cam Newton "fumblerooski" play from yesterday: yhoo.it/tlgtf4
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Post by tuckerewell on Dec 19, 2011 14:04:23 GMT -5
I have a couple of points on the handshaking thing. 1) I was in a small claims court recently as a witness and while waiting for my case I observed, after much back and forth between the parties on a case in which I thought the defendant made a very good argument for their situation, the judge ruled in favor of the plaintiff. After both parties stood up to leave, the attorney for the plaintiff stepped forward the judge and said, "Hey, thanks a lot, Al. We appreciate your work. How have you been lately?" The judge replied "Thanks, great.. you? I watched the defendant who was now having to pay a few grand for something she thought wasn't right, look incredulous at this action. Wouldn't you feel the same way? Maybe these guys golf 4 times a week but if so, they should keep it to themselves. It was unprofessional. Judges and arbiters are supposed to be above it all and above reproach and keep it that way. When I see a situation like this I can't help but wonder what it going on. 2) I know politics and gamesmanship are as common in sports as sportsmanship. I'm all for sportsmanship between players. I have had to tell basketball coaches in league from grade school to high school to save it and spare me their analysis when prior to a game the coach will take the time to approach with a friendly greeting and then add "by the way, keep an eye on #21, he travels all the time and #35 throws a lot of elbows and has a temper". This stuff goes on. We all know it. I may be old school but I firmly believe you don't go out of your way to mingle with players, you remove yourself from field, court, etc, as soon as your job is complete, you keep yourself above reproach because your reputation is all you have...why open yourself to questions of bias. I've seen this occur more recently in the NFL but the final whistle had barely blown and I thought Leavy's actions left him open to criticism which he is getting unfortunately. Wasn't one of the major headaches for the NBA brought to light as a result of the Tim Donaghy (ugh) fiasco, the fact that coaches, players and officials were fraternizing off the court. The NBA told the FBI they would put a stop to this and put a new system in place to prevent this (last I've heard of it) but it was one of the few aspects of the case that gave Donaghy any credibility. Again, why go there? Above reproach. I don't want my reputation for impartiality questioned. Why would anyone?
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Post by I've been warned on Dec 19, 2011 21:38:12 GMT -5
Boger's crew certainly had a flag fest in St. Louis, including this double dipper on Rams OL Harvey Dahl. After getting called for holding, Dahl expresses a little disagreement with the flag (warning: audible adult language) and gets dinged for unsportsmanlike conduct. Woooooooowwwww. That was the most blatant open mic pick-up I've heard. Boger had no choice but to flag Dahl. Maybe not with a closed mic, but if you go up to the referee and curse the call WITH THE REFEREE'S MIC ON, the flag must fly. Jerry Markbreit has a story about his open mic, but Jerry was the one with the bleepable words. If the unsportsmanlike conduct was for "disrespecting an official" as Boger announced, why was this clown not tossed? He doesn't realize the position he put CBS in too with possible FCC sanctions... the same network that aired the "wardrobe malfunction" by the way...
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Post by howard63 on Dec 19, 2011 22:03:16 GMT -5
I don't think the FCC would come down too hard on CBS because this was something CBS had no control over. If Dan Dierdorf had said what Harvey Dahl said, that would be another story.
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Post by hank on Dec 20, 2011 1:19:50 GMT -5
I have a little more of a problem if the official is used as a celebration prop like in the following link. sbn.to/tMJlYUFredFan7, Thanks for the video link. I am disgusted by the acts of the two offensive football players after the touchdown. I find this act far worse than Harvey Dahl's word choice. The Chargers should have been penalized for having two players engaged in excessive, premeditated celebrations and/or contacting an official. Clearly once the RB scored both players immediately sought officials to to hive-five them.
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Post by I've been warned on Dec 20, 2011 20:36:37 GMT -5
I don't think the FCC would come down too hard on CBS because this was something CBS had no control over. If Dan Dierdorf had said what Harvey Dahl said, that would be another story. By law, CBS is responsible for it. All it takes is one viewer to file a formal complaint and they're going to have to answer for it. Is it right? No. Will it hold up in court? Yes. CBS didn't have any control over Janet Jackson's breast either, but they still paid for it.
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Post by JugglingReferee on Dec 20, 2011 21:07:08 GMT -5
I don't think the FCC would come down too hard on CBS because this was something CBS had no control over. If Dan Dierdorf had said what Harvey Dahl said, that would be another story. By law, CBS is responsible for it. All it takes is one viewer to file a formal complaint and they're going to have to answer for it. Is it right? No. Will it hold up in court? Yes. CBS didn't have any control over Janet Jackson's breast either, but they still paid for it. Just for the record, it wasn't me that complained about the malfunction. ;D
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Post by zebrablog on Dec 21, 2011 14:04:12 GMT -5
By law, CBS is responsible for it. All it takes is one viewer to file a formal complaint and they're going to have to answer for it. Is it right? No. Will it hold up in court? Yes. CBS didn't have any control over Janet Jackson's breast either, but they still paid for it. Slightly off topic, but CBS sued to reverse the fine for the Super Bowl XXXVIII halftime show and won. It should have never gotten to that point, because CBS was covering a live event where there was no expectation of such an incident. Unfortunate things happen sometimes; it doesn't mean someone is to blame. As for f-bombs, the courts have also ruled that "fleeting expletives" could not be fined, as NBC was when Bono unleashed a "fire truck" during a live awards ceremony. Even though NBC could have delayed the broadcast to filter filthy words, they are not legally compelled to do so. (And, it does happen from time to time where a microphone picks up salty language during a sporting event without repercussions.) When they make a conscious decision at the network level to air profanity, then it becomes something different. (It technically affects the stations airing the program, but that is a lengthy side discussion.)
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Post by I've been warned on Dec 21, 2011 19:01:02 GMT -5
By law, CBS is responsible for it. All it takes is one viewer to file a formal complaint and they're going to have to answer for it. Is it right? No. Will it hold up in court? Yes. CBS didn't have any control over Janet Jackson's breast either, but they still paid for it. Slightly off topic, but CBS sued to reverse the fine for the Super Bowl XXXVIII halftime show and won. It should have never gotten to that point, because CBS was covering a live event where there was no expectation of such an incident. Unfortunate things happen sometimes; it doesn't mean someone is to blame. As for f-bombs, the courts have also ruled that "fleeting expletives" could not be fined, as NBC was when Bono unleashed a "fire truck" during a live awards ceremony. Even though NBC could have delayed the broadcast to filter filthy words, they are not legally compelled to do so. (And, it does happen from time to time where a microphone picks up salty language during a sporting event without repercussions.) When they make a conscious decision at the network level to air profanity, then it becomes something different. (It technically affects the stations airing the program, but that is a lengthy side discussion.) The U.S. Supreme court vacated that ruling and it was only recently (Nov '11) that the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals reached the same decision... again. So for now, I'll stand corrected and marvel at how ridiculous this boob thing has become!
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