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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 16, 2012 19:09:03 GMT -5
Bloodbath in Pittsburgh today. Angel Campos ejects Matt Kemp for arguing balls and strikes. Later in the argument Tim Tschida ejects Don Mattingly for excessive arguing. Later in the game Campos ejected Dodgers pitcher Joe Blanton. Here is video of the Kemp and Mattingly ejections. Lots of Dodgers bouncing off umpires. I think Kemp and Mattingly will be sitting for a spell - especially Mattingly. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23947739&c_id=mlb
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Post by BTFS Admin on Aug 16, 2012 22:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by JugglingReferee on Aug 17, 2012 5:08:42 GMT -5
You can tell when a player bumps an umpire because the other Us come in very quickly and will even use force to prevent that player from getting closer. You could see Tschida even tell Mattingly to "deal with him" [first] - meaning before Mattingly argued with the Campos.
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 17, 2012 8:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Aug 17, 2012 13:45:15 GMT -5
There have been just too many bad ball/strike calls this year. I'm not referring to the calls the box shows almost right on the boundary of the plate but calls likew the call against Tampa Bay during the perfect game where Madden got tossed. I mean I don't nit pick but with the naked eye before I even saw the strike zone graphic box I could see the pitch was clearly outside. Too much is at stake for this to continuye.
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Post by russ on Aug 17, 2012 14:50:36 GMT -5
There have been just too many bad ball/strike calls this year. I'm not referring to the calls the box shows almost right on the boundary of the plate but calls likew the call against Tampa Bay during the perfect game where Madden got tossed. I mean I don't nit pick but with the naked eye before I even saw the strike zone graphic box I could see the pitch was clearly outside. Too much is at stake for this to continuye. Are you talking about the Maddon ejection or the Kemp one? The Maddon pitch I will give you, that was way outside, but the pitch to Ethier that Kemp argued was a strike, it just looked bad because that is not where the catcher wanted the ball. If you watch, he is calling for it inside and it actually ended up on the outer half of the strike zone.
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Post by cj on Aug 17, 2012 16:04:04 GMT -5
The Madden ejection....
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 17, 2012 21:18:50 GMT -5
Jeff Kellogg calls a Tiger out at first. Leyland asks him for help regarding a pulled foot. Call reversed after consultation with the HP umpire. 1B Mark Reynolds throws glove in frustration after reversal. Vic Carapazza ejects Reynolds. Buck Showalter erupts and Marty Foster ejects him. Orioles Announcers are rich on this call. I think Jim Palmer is on the broadcast and if that him, he spent too much time around Earl Weaver..... mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23974139PS--umpire consistently eject players for throwing equipment in protest of an umpire's decision.
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Post by nyasablue on Aug 17, 2012 22:38:05 GMT -5
Jeff Kellogg calls a Tiger out at first. Leyland asks him for help regarding a pulled foot. Call reversed after consultation with the HP umpire. 1B Mark Reynolds throws glove in frustration after reversal. Vic Carapazza ejects Reynolds. Buck Showalter erupts and Marty Foster ejects him. Orioles Announcers are rich on this call. I think Jim Palmer is on the broadcast and if that him, he spent too much time around Earl Weaver..... mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23974139PS--umpire consistently eject players for throwing equipment in protest of an umpire's decision. Showalter was pretty aggressive going after Kellogg - MLB better start reading the riot act to some of managers and/or players, otherwise we will be due a repeat of the Pete Rose/Dave Pallone disaster.
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 17, 2012 23:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Aug 18, 2012 1:56:57 GMT -5
Jeff Kellogg calls a Tiger out at first. Leyland asks him for help regarding a pulled foot. Call reversed after consultation with the HP umpire. 1B Mark Reynolds throws glove in frustration after reversal. Vic Carapazza ejects Reynolds. Buck Showalter erupts and Marty Foster ejects him. Orioles Announcers are rich on this call. I think Jim Palmer is on the broadcast and if that him, he spent too much time around Earl Weaver..... mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23974139PS--umpire consistently eject players for throwing equipment in protest of an umpire's decision. Years ago, mlb did instruct the umpires not to eject players for simply throwing equipment but rather to signal they were being fined. Evidently that policy has either changed or the umpires have decided to change it on their own because all the time you see players being tossed for simply throwing equipment. It's again another of those tough calls. Clearly the umpire at first base was in no position to make the call or to be able to see whether the toe was still on the base but it was so close that I'm not sure the home plate umpire who suggested the reversal of the call was in a position to see also whether the foot had stayed on the base. In that case you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And for those who favor ir or who think ir is always the answer, to me the ir we did see was inconclusive
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Post by nyasablue on Aug 18, 2012 8:02:29 GMT -5
Jeff Kellogg calls a Tiger out at first. Leyland asks him for help regarding a pulled foot. Call reversed after consultation with the HP umpire. 1B Mark Reynolds throws glove in frustration after reversal. Vic Carapazza ejects Reynolds. Buck Showalter erupts and Marty Foster ejects him. Orioles Announcers are rich on this call. I think Jim Palmer is on the broadcast and if that him, he spent too much time around Earl Weaver..... mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23974139PS--umpire consistently eject players for throwing equipment in protest of an umpire's decision. Years ago, mlb did instruct the umpires not to eject players for simply throwing equipment but rather to signal they were being fined. Evidently that policy has either changed or the umpires have decided to change it on their own because all the time you see players being tossed for simply throwing equipment. It's again another of those tough calls. Clearly the umpire at first base was in no position to make the call or to be able to see whether the toe was still on the base but it was so close that I'm not sure the home plate umpire who suggested the reversal of the call was in a position to see also whether the foot had stayed on the base. In that case you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And for those who favor ir or who think ir is always the answer, to me the ir we did see was inconclusive The problem is that none of the TV angles showed the look that Timmons - who was hopefully trailing the batter down the line - had. There is no way Kellogg could have seen that from the position he was in. If Kellogg had been in the 'two strides in from the line' position like we use in softball, he probably could have seen it better.
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Post by howard63 on Aug 18, 2012 8:59:10 GMT -5
Somebody needs to get Jim Palmer a rulebook. I don't know where he got the idea a player couldn't be ejected for throwing equipment. As for the play, nice job by TimTimmons and Jeff Kellogg of getting together and getting the call right.
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Post by cj on Aug 18, 2012 9:23:20 GMT -5
Somebody needs to get Jim Palmer a rulebook. I don't know where he got the idea a player couldn't be ejected for throwing equipment. As for the play, nice job by TimTimmons and Jeff Kellogg of getting together and getting the call right. Read my comment above. At one point, mlb either asked the umpires or passed a rule that players not be ejected for throwing equipment and perhaps that was the rule or policy when Palmer played. Personally, I don't see the harm in throwing down the glove the way it was and the 2nd base umpire had no business butting in. As far a whether it was the right call, I just don't know. I looked at the video and it simply is not clear if the first baseman stayed on the base or not. Certainly we all agree the first base umpire was in no position to call it. We can leave it at that (and again I'm not saying right or wrong...I think the tape was inconclusive and as with some ir's, lacks the 3 dimensional view needed to get it 100% right.
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Post by BTFS Admin on Aug 18, 2012 9:23:26 GMT -5
Somebody needs to get Jim Palmer a rulebook. I don't know where he got the idea a player couldn't be ejected for throwing equipment. As for the play, nice job by TimTimmons and Jeff Kellogg of getting together and getting the call right. This is nothing more than "homer" announcing. Pennant race or not, throwing the glove is an ejection. Nothing different that throwing bats/helmets in the batter's box. It was topped off with the comment that Showalter should file the game under protest...that gave me a good laugh. Preposterous.
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