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Post by russ on Aug 24, 2012 21:41:58 GMT -5
Terry Collins told to enjoy the rest of the game in the air conditioned comfort of his office tinyurl.com/cqgc3emNever been impressed with Lance Barksdale. About 2 years ago, at PETCO park, he made a horrific call at the plate. David Eckstein crosses the plate standing up. The next runner slides to the outside of the plate dragging his hand across the plate. No signal from Lance. Then the catcher tags the runner about 15' or so from the plate. Lance calls him out. Eck pleads with Lance to look at he plate, but he won't turn around to look at it. The drag marks from the runnner's hand were there in clear view. Then replay was shown on the monitors w/in the seated areas of the yard. I have never heard a crowd boo for 3 solid innings. Didn't matter who or which team was at bat. They just didn't stop. It was impressive. So you're going to use a call he made 2 years ago against him? That doesn't seem fair to me.
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 25, 2012 22:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by ak482 on Aug 26, 2012 10:42:33 GMT -5
I'm thinking Hawk Harrelson should be near a phone expecting a call from Bud after that rant. Some people just never learn I agree with FredFan on the pitch, seemed pretty low to me, plus the way AJ brought it up didn't help matters either.
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Post by cj on Aug 26, 2012 13:26:02 GMT -5
I'm thinking Hawk Harrelson should be near a phone expecting a call from Bud after that rant. Some people just never learn I agree with FredFan on the pitch, seemed pretty low to me, plus the way AJ brought it up didn't help matters either. Why? Is he an employee of mlb, the White Sox or the television station. We also don't know what was going on for the rest of the game. Was the umpire calling the same pitch a strike at other times in the game?
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Post by mike on Aug 26, 2012 16:06:38 GMT -5
Watching the side view it was at the knee then sank after crossing the plate. I have seen worse called balls
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 26, 2012 18:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 26, 2012 18:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by JugglingReferee on Aug 26, 2012 20:25:01 GMT -5
Excellent job by Valentine. His player was safe. It wasn't even close.
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Post by cball1985 on Aug 26, 2012 21:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by nyasablue on Aug 27, 2012 18:30:11 GMT -5
I would love to meet an umpire at any level who hasn't done that at LEAST once in their career....
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Post by cj on Aug 27, 2012 22:58:16 GMT -5
There's a simple way to avoid that.....call all strikes exactly the same way whether it's strike one, strike two or strike three. That's the way I umpired what seems a century ago in my low level league. My hero was Chris Pelekoudas...no emotion just ball or strike and aflikc of the wrist (although I was a bit quicker than Chris(. No historonics no need to antagonize a batter with a dramatic strike 3. Strike or ball. To me, a much saner way to call balls or strikes (but then again, I was never looking or hoping to make a professional career out of it!)
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Post by russ on Aug 27, 2012 23:14:42 GMT -5
Gary Darling is the only current Umpire who doesn't punsh the batter out. He makes a fist for every strike he calls.
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Post by cj on Aug 27, 2012 23:50:55 GMT -5
Personally, I've never understood why it's necessary to embelish called strike 3....it just serves to antagonize the batter sometimes. Over the years, in all sports, I've heard this sell the call nonsense. Make the call the same way no matter the sport. Why did Red Cashion adopt his exagerated "first down." What good does that do. I thought Fred's hero, Fred Silva was great at that. He made all his calls in the same way (although he clapped his hands when signalling a first down!). The umpires are not the show. Nobody pays to see their historonics. Call it a ball or a strike whether it's strike one, strike two or strike three....same thing for calling a runner out at the plate or on a close call at first base...make the call business like and walk away....causes less emotion on everybody's part (I think my way of doing things albeit very low level organized baseball caused less conflict...safe or out....call it the same way...fair or foul...call it the same way...catch or trap call it the same way. Just call it and get it right.
(Did you ever see Dick Hantak get excited?)
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Post by mike on Aug 28, 2012 7:39:28 GMT -5
baseball stadiums are loud so umpires like Jim Joyce and Tom Hallion adopted exaggerated styles in order to make the call clear to everyone on the field
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Post by cj on Aug 28, 2012 9:08:39 GMT -5
baseball stadiums are loud so umpires like Jim Joyce and Tom Hallion adopted exaggerated styles in order to make the call clear to everyone on the field All you have to do is look at the scoreboard where the umpire is constantly checking his indicator and correcting if he is doing his job properly...I compared before every pitch. Done. To me, emotion begets emotion. A manger comes out to argue and goes bonkers. I just stood there with my arms crossed and listened. When he got tired, I simply said, "Are you finished?" in a low tone of voice. Most of the time, that disarmed the argument completely and then I simply informed the manager that he might wish to watch the rest of the game in his office without running three feet to signal an ejection. I simply pointed at the dugout. Again, no need to get upset and to upset other people and get that old adrenalin flowing. The best way to haandle confrontation...totally emotionless. Just part of the job.
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