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Post by mike on Sept 10, 2012 19:52:29 GMT -5
buzzy, I saw the replays they showed on TV and it was not as clear as Gerry Austin made it sound like. I do think the ball hit the turf but I cannot say with the certainty required to overturn the call on the field that he did not complete the process of a catch. The illegal block in the back was a bit ticky tack but there appeared to be some contact as the DB spun around which also made it look worse than it was
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:20:00 GMT -5
Just an update...ridiculous DPI call keeps Raven's TD drive alive. Maybe "egregious" just means on the last play or drive of the game. Otherwise, they have directly effected 3 scores in this game. It is painful to watch!
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Post by cj on Sept 10, 2012 20:27:45 GMT -5
Buzzy....do you microwatch every game the way you are this game? Now I've been out all night so I haven't seen any of the "controversial" plays.......However from what I've read, the replay official is allowed to discuss and make suggestions to the referee under the hood and if he isn't, that's absurd. I'll grant you the referee has the final say (and if you've ever read others of my comments, I think this is a moronic system. Replays should be handled out of the war room in New York the same way it is done in the NHL to produce consistancy. However I assume the referee did consult with the replay official. Remember to overturn the call on the field, the evidence has to be indisputable they got it wrong. Like I said, I haven't been home all night so I suspect I will see it.
Of course, Gerry Austin has friends among the officials being locked out so one might ask if he is totally unbiased in this...blocks in the back sometimes are called, sometimes are missed, sometimes are let go. Again, I get where your sympathies lie and that's your total perogative. Up until now, the fans who are the ones that count have not been going bonkers over this stuff the way some of you here have (that doesn't make any of you bad people, we just have a disagreement).
Again from management's view point, they want the pension concession and as I've said four or five times, it is apparent that is the sticking point and having gone this far, what we've had up until now, they're willing to live with whether you or Becky or I like it.
I can understand the importance the league is placing on getting the pension situation straightened out. What other part time job comes with a defined benefit pension? That is the way it works.
And if the corrections are not being made, perhaps we ought to be looking at conspiracy theories among the people the league has assigned to assist the officials. NFL rules admitedly are somewhat different on some of the administrative matters than other places the guys might have worked and I thought the league supervisors and replay officials, who are the regular guys, are supposed to assist on these administrative matters. As I said, when the referee is under the hood, the replay official from what i've read is not supposed to keep his mouth shut but collab orate with the referee and even if it isn't done with the regular guys, it should be done here. Same holds for the league observer. As Peter King wrote in his weekly column today, the disappointing thing was not that they blew the time out call, why didn't the league observer when the referee did not announce the third time out and inform the Seattle coach not communicate with him something to the effect did you charge the time out on that play because all injury time outs in the last two minutes are supposed to be a team charged time out. Did you inform the Seattle coach they were out of time outs? Had this been done, there would have been no problem and I thought that was the reason these guys were put in place.
Let me make it clear, Buzzy and others, I don't feel as strongly asMike and my family comes from a long line of pro union activists. But I'm also a football fan, and no I'm not nor have I ever been a football official but I think I'm pretty knowledgeable about NFL history and NFL officiating. We can live with what has gone up till now. I pointed out in my post just above some of the all time errors by some of the all time considered officials (although I might disagree about individuals). I'm afraid the NFL is prepared to go down this road and who knows. The air controllers in the early 1980's never thought Ronnie Reagan would make their firings stick but ultimately they did. And everybody waited for the entire ATC system to implode and it never did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:28:50 GMT -5
No disrepect Mike, but from I saw there was plenty evidence to overturn. Also, I think I'll go with Austin & Pereira rather than this Oakie from Muskogee!!
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Post by becky10 on Sept 10, 2012 20:30:44 GMT -5
I hope soooooo Buzzy... I wish I could sell my NFL Sunday Ticket.. internet version... OH well... $300 down the drain for me. Becky
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Post by cj on Sept 10, 2012 20:33:34 GMT -5
Buzzy....I just turned on the game. The score is 34-13. How much effect, really, can the officials have had on the outcome of this game? Some calls with which you and Gerry Austin disagree? C'est la vie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:41:12 GMT -5
Uh no CJ, I don't "micro watch"...it's obvious! I completely respect your position that the quality of officiating should be gauged by the volume, or lack of, fan response. Also respect your position that the league should be putting all of these safegaurds in place short of using sattelites & the space shuttle. I think it makes more sense to simply bring back the real refs who are able to handle it themselves. Also, my original post was not directed to you personally...but I enjoyed your lengthy response.
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Post by Brent on Sept 10, 2012 22:30:45 GMT -5
I think that the replacements did a good job on the whole this weekend. Sure there were mistakes, but there always are. For those saying holding was missed, the regulars don't call holding most of the time either. I think that the announcers and some folks over state things like when Collinsworth said to Michaels "YOU have more officiating experience than these guys Al,". That is just a ridiculous comment that just causes people who don't know better to think the replacements are messing up. (and the egregious thing they did at the time was step off a 10 yard penalty rather than just move the ball...big deal)
All in all sure the replacements don't have as much experience as the regulars, it is like fielding a team of rookies, but as the season progresses the rookies get better. I for one hope the regulars come back, but, if they don't I doubt it will make a huge difference in my enjoyment of the games. As Peter King said the Union needs to remember when Regan fired the Air Traffic controllers that were unionized because the replacements were adequate. Personally I think this might push the union to give a little and come back to the table.
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Post by russ on Sept 10, 2012 22:48:47 GMT -5
Some of those mistakes aren't even that bad and could easily happen with the regular Officials. Especially the phantom Pass Interference's which I have always felt has been the most inconsistent Penalty enforced.
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Post by russ on Sept 10, 2012 22:54:56 GMT -5
Brent, I noticed that with Michaels too. He is treating every scan like they are Ron Winter, and we all know how he feels about Mr.Winter. I'm not even saying the scabs don't deserve it but you could literally hear him grown at times last night and all the Officials did was throw a flag. Michaels is a great announcer, but I don't care who is officiating, you need to act more professional than that.
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Post by becky10 on Sept 10, 2012 23:00:20 GMT -5
Some of those mistakes aren't even that bad and could easily happen with the regular Officials. Especially the phantom Pass Interference's which I have always felt has been the most inconsistent Penalty enforced. The Point is... that the Replacements do NOT deserve to be there... it is like putting a 1yr Pilot in charge of American Airlines.... this is not right...
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Post by Brent on Sept 10, 2012 23:22:32 GMT -5
Some of those mistakes aren't even that bad and could easily happen with the regular Officials. Especially the phantom Pass Interference's which I have always felt has been the most inconsistent Penalty enforced. The Point is... that the Replacements do NOT deserve to be there... it is like putting a 1yr Pilot in charge of American Airlines.... this is not right... They could be back tomorrow by accepting the offer. It is a two way street here.
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Post by russ on Sept 10, 2012 23:38:01 GMT -5
Some of those mistakes aren't even that bad and could easily happen with the regular Officials. Especially the phantom Pass Interference's which I have always felt has been the most inconsistent Penalty enforced. The Point is... that the Replacements do NOT deserve to be there... it is like putting a 1yr Pilot in charge of American Airlines.... this is not right... Not at all. A pilot is in charge of flying a plane and making sure every one lands safely, plus knowing the winds and coordinates and what not. An inexperienced pilot could be the difference between a safe landing or death. No one is going to die with these replacements. Is the game worse with them, sure, but it is not as desperate as you think. If you actually took time to watch these game instead of complain you would see worse Officiating for sure, but you would also see that writers and certain board members on here are overreacting.
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Post by FredFan7 on Sept 10, 2012 23:45:57 GMT -5
Brent, I noticed that with Michaels too. He is treating every scan like they are Ron Winter, and we all know how he feels about Mr.Winter. I'm not even saying the scabs don't deserve it but you could literally hear him grown at times last night and all the Officials did was throw a flag. Michaels is a great announcer, but I don't care who is officiating, you need to act more professional than that. Sometimes I get the vibe that Al Michaels feels like he's doing America a favor by announcing these games.
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Post by becky10 on Sept 10, 2012 23:55:29 GMT -5
The Point is... that the Replacements do NOT deserve to be there... it is like putting a 1yr Pilot in charge of American Airlines.... this is not right... Not at all. A pilot is in charge of flying a plane and making sure every one lands safely, plus knowing the winds and coordinates and what not. An inexperienced pilot could be the difference between a safe landing or death. No one is going to die with these replacements. Is the game worse with them, sure, but it is not as desperate as you think. If you actually took time to watch these game instead of complain you would see worse Officiating for sure, but you would also see that writers and certain board members on here are overreacting. A white hat replacement official is in charge of a NFL Game... if his crew makes a mistake and gives teams extra downs, yardage and time outs... that could cost TEAM Owners Millions of $$$$'s.... that is just as bad. Also with losses it could cost a team playoffs...
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