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Post by cj on Apr 28, 2013 0:36:46 GMT -5
Said it before....it's really getting dangerous back there. Pitchers are throwing harder than before for longer than before with less control....foul balls jump off the bats at higher and higher speeds as the hitters are much stronger today (as are all athletes). If it were up to me, I would have all the work behind the plate done with machines with the base umpires calling half swings (although I suppose foul tips might be tough) and rotating to make calls at home plate safe/out....of course it will never happen but the carnage back there really seems to be increasing!
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2013 21:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2013 21:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2013 21:30:38 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2013 22:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 28, 2013 22:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 30, 2013 8:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Apr 30, 2013 8:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by nyasablue on Apr 30, 2013 19:16:33 GMT -5
The Ed Sudol Award to Danley! IN case anyone here is unaware, Ed Sudol was an NL umpire from the 50's through the 70's. He has the distinction of being the home plate umpire in three of the five longest games played to a decision, inning wise, in MLB history. With the following oddity: Every single of those three games involved the Mets! In chronological order: Memorial Day 1964: Second game of a DH with the Mets and Giants at Shea. Game went 23 innings, with SF winning 8-6. Its the second longest game time wise ever. This remains the longest doubleheader in terms of innings played AND total time length - an excruciating 9 hours 52 minutes 4/15/1968 - Astros beat the Mets 1-0, in a tidy 24 innings. Of course this was in the Astrodome. This is the longest (of course) 1-0 game ever. 9/11/1974 - Cards beat the Mets 4-3 in 25 wonderful innings. Tied for the longest game played to a decision in MLB history with the 1984 White Sox/Brewers game (Jim Evans had the plate there!). You have to figure between the three games, Sudol must have had to faced almost 2000 pitches! Just typing that makes my knees ache
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Post by howard63 on Apr 30, 2013 20:34:07 GMT -5
The 1984 Brewers-White Sox game was actually suspended and finished the following day, with Greg Kosc taking over for Evans behind the plate.
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Post by cball1985 on Apr 30, 2013 21:30:15 GMT -5
Joe West is back. He is working 3B tonight in the White Sox V Rangers game. He is filling in for Brian O'Nora.
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Post by nyasablue on Apr 30, 2013 21:32:36 GMT -5
The 1984 Brewers-White Sox game was actually suspended and finished the following day, with Greg Kosc taking over for Evans behind the plate. I looked at the Retrosheet box score, and Kosc ended up almost working a full game himself!
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Post by davegabike on May 1, 2013 1:41:37 GMT -5
Setting aside for the moment the question of who is telling the truth (though I have a pretty strong feeling on that too based on our cast of characters' previous reputations), my question is what is it that Hallion said that got Price so ticked off. Was it the f-word? Because baseball players have to hear that directed at them tons of times a week. Umpires probably shouldn't use that word, but as any casual lip-reader knows, they often do in arguments, with no ramifications whatsoever. I wonder if the greater issue is calling a player a liar. Recall that Bill Haller committed both "sins" in his famous tilt with Earl Weaver that's often held up in umpire schools as a model for how to deal with a pissed-off manager:
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Post by FredFan7 on May 1, 2013 10:33:07 GMT -5
Joe West is back. He is working 3B tonight in the White Sox V Rangers game. He is filling in for Brian O'Nora. Lots of people don't like him, but he IS a good umpire and this is good news.
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Post by FredFan7 on May 1, 2013 10:41:13 GMT -5
Setting aside for the moment the question of who is telling the truth (though I have a pretty strong feeling on that too based on our cast of characters' previous reputations), my question is what is it that Hallion said that got Price so ticked off. Was it the f-word? Because baseball players have to hear that directed at them tons of times a week. Umpires probably shouldn't use that word, but as any casual lip-reader knows, they often do in arguments, with no ramifications whatsoever. I wonder if the greater issue is calling a player a liar. Recall that Bill Haller committed both "sins" in his famous tilt with Earl Weaver that's often held up in umpire schools as a model for how to deal with a pissed-off manager: Hallion has the reputation of a hot head and it was one of the contributing factors of his resignation being accepted in 1999. It is concieveable, knowing is "reputation" that he might have said those things; however for Hallion to come out that strong, putting his reputation and integrity on the line leads me to believe that Price was telling a fib. If Hallion actually DID say what Price accused him of, he was well within earshot of Price's team-mates and you know they'd come to their pitcher's defense. Regarding Haller, he would be chastised today for telling Weaver "f you" and not properly handing the situation (see Bob Davidson's suspension last year). Haller didn't scream at Weaver, but he did not handle the situation properly according to 2013 procedures.
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