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Post by melkaman8200 on Dec 10, 2010 12:22:15 GMT -5
The televised/national games are a coincidence, as I understand it.
It's my understanding that all officiating crews are assigned by a random computer program at the beginning of the season that sorts out not working the same team twice in a row and not more than twice a season, with six weeks in between or not assigning a crew to a particular team (ala Walt Coleman & the Oakland Raiders-if that's true).
Individual officials are switched out on a game-by-game basis when there's a conflict of some sort. For instance, Richard Reels is Victor Hobson's uncle, so Rich has asked not to be assigned to any Jets games and is switched out.
Maybe ITK or one of the admins can set me straight, but that's what I've heard.
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Post by howard63 on Dec 10, 2010 12:30:10 GMT -5
I believe you are correct. I remember Mike Pereira explaining this on Official Review last season.
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Post by zcr57 on Dec 10, 2010 13:17:59 GMT -5
Something I've always heard is that the NFL assigns 4 games at a time. Before the season, they'll assign weeks 1-4, after week 3 they'll assign weeks 5-8, and so on.
I think this is more practical, especially if there is a bad incident between a particular team and crew during the season.
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Post by cj on Dec 10, 2010 17:30:04 GMT -5
The televised/national games are a coincidence, as I understand it. It's my understanding that all officiating crews are assigned by a random computer program at the beginning of the season that sorts out not working the same team twice in a row and not more than twice a season, with six weeks in between or not assigning a crew to a particular team (ala Walt Coleman & the Oakland Raiders-if that's true). Individual officials are switched out on a game-by-game basis when there's a conflict of some sort. For instance, Richard Reels is Victor Hobson's uncle, so Rich has asked not to be assigned to any Jets games and is switched out. Maybe ITK or one of the admins can set me straight, but that's what I've heard. Well let's put it this way....ever since the tuck rule game, Coleman has never worked another Oakland Raider game again. Now, without me trying to be a wise guy about this, what are the odds that this is just something that has occurred randomly? I'll leave it for you to decide.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 17:31:20 GMT -5
I get to see Jeff Triplette and Walt Coleman on TV? YUCK!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 17:53:55 GMT -5
I get to see Jeff Triplette and Walt Coleman on TV? YUCK! for the first like 6 weeks of the season, no joke, i had either coleman, winter or anderson every sunday for the 1pm and 4pm games. i've gotten used to anderson, but i cant stand winter or coleman. (sorry to the winter fans, i know he is popular on this forum, i just hate watching his games) lately i've seen parry, steratore, leavy and mike carey more often, so no complaints
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Post by melkaman8200 on Dec 10, 2010 18:28:12 GMT -5
Well let's put it this way....ever since the tuck rule game, Coleman has never worked another Oakland Raider game again. Now, without me trying to be a wise guy about this, what are the odds that this is just something that has occurred randomly? I'll leave it for you to decide. I was being general in my assessment that crews are assinged randomly. But I do agree that certain exceptions could be made. In fact, I cited that specific example as something that could be programmed into the computer system. Personally, I think it's a mistake to not assign Coleman's crew to Oakland's games, especially if Coleman is the one asking it. The Oakland Raiders need to let it go and move on, and if Coleman is intimidated by the prospect of officiating an Oakland game, then the NFL needs to address that issue as well. I can understand maybe giving a season away to let things cool off, but you can't keep re-hashing the past. At any rate, my larger point is that is that the official's assingments, once you factor in not having a team twice in a row or twice in a season, and however many games in between is required, I have a hard time thinking that officials are awarded national TV games because of who they are. As far as regional coverage is concerned, I have long since given up even trying to figure out how the networks decide that. My second favorite team is the Steelers, and I hardly ever get to watch them. Sometimes I think they say "I wonder what game Mel doesn't want to watch," and then give me those ones.
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Post by cj on Dec 10, 2010 18:42:18 GMT -5
Well let's put it this way....ever since the tuck rule game, Coleman has never worked another Oakland Raider game again. Now, without me trying to be a wise guy about this, what are the odds that this is just something that has occurred randomly? I'll leave it for you to decide. I was being general in my assessment that crews are assinged randomly. But I do agree that certain exceptions could be made. In fact, I cited that specific example as something that could be programmed into the computer system. Personally, I think it's a mistake to not assign Coleman's crew to Oakland's games, especially if Coleman is the one asking it. The Oakland Raiders need to let it go and move on, and if Coleman is intimidated by the prospect of officiating an Oakland game, then the NFL needs to address that issue as well. I can understand maybe giving a season away to let things cool off, but you can't keep re-hashing the past. At any rate, my larger point is that is that the official's assingments, once you factor in not having a team twice in a row or twice in a season, and however many games in between is required, I have a hard time thinking that officials are awarded national TV games because of who they are. As far as regional coverage is concerned, I have long since given up even trying to figure out how the networks decide that. My second favorite team is the Steelers, and I hardly ever get to watch them. Sometimes I think they say "I wonder what game Mel doesn't want to watch," and then give me those ones. Not to nit pick with you, believe me, but go back and look at your original post you said something to the effect a la WC and the Oakland Raiders - if that's true implying possibly you might think it's some kind of coincidence. I have promised people here I won't keep bringing it up and I really don't want to but those words if it's true are why I responded. As you say, perhaps a season or two with no assignments would have been appropriate but it has frankly just reached the point of absurdity and I don't remember something like this ever happening in any other sport in history. I mean Rich Garcia made one of the worst calls in baseball history when he "didn't see" that little punk reach over the fence at Yankee Stadium in 1996 as Tony Terasco was ready to make a fairly routine catch near the wall. Does that mean he never should have done an Oriole game again? I really think, as you said, there seems to be something we're all missing there. Is this the official's request? Or is the NFL bowing down to Sir Al Davis....it's almost as if the EPL would not assign Howard Webb to do a Manchester United game at the request of Sir Alex Ferguson. Now we can't picture that happening, can we? (BTW do we ever expect Kouman Coulibaly do another USA World Cup game again?) But Ryan before you yell at me, I'm taking no sides on it just simply stating the facts that something's wrong and that's the last I'll say.
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Post by jc on Dec 10, 2010 18:47:17 GMT -5
I will get my college programming students to do this scheduling in the Spring- when the NFL Schedule comes available- it is a operational research scheduling problem..I will need the guidlines/rules/to follow.
I will post when ready so we can agree on rules...example- do not work one team more than twice in a season, within 6 weeks etc...
Once it is done- I would post some of my findings here...Thanks for the inspiration
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Post by mike on Dec 10, 2010 19:21:19 GMT -5
jc, off the top of my head
1) Do not work a team more than twice in a season and not within 5-6 weeks of each other (even though I have heard 6, Morelli had 2 SEA games within 5 weeks this year)
2) Each crew has at most 2 bye weeks and not in consecutive weeks
3) Each crew should attempt to have a close to equivalent amount games in primetime and/or not on Sundays
4) If at all possible, if a crew works a team twice it is either 2 road games or 1 home/1 road game
5) Do not assign Walt Coleman to an Oakland game
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 20:39:53 GMT -5
1) Do not work a team more than twice in a season and not within 5-6 weeks of each other (even though I have heard 6, Morelli had 2 SEA games within 5 weeks this year) The rule is, two games which can be at the ends of a 6 week gap. Morelli had Seattle games at Weeks 4 and 9.
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Post by FredFan7 on Dec 10, 2010 20:42:51 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, Preth! I hope you keep posting!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 21:23:20 GMT -5
jc, off the top of my head 1) Do not work a team more than twice in a season and not within 5-6 weeks of each other (even though I have heard 6, Morelli had 2 SEA games within 5 weeks this year) 2) Each crew has at most 2 bye weeks and not in consecutive weeks 3) Each crew should attempt to have a close to equivalent amount games in primetime and/or not on Sundays 4) If at all possible, if a crew works a team twice it is either 2 road games or 1 home/1 road game 5) Do not assign Walt Coleman to an Oakland game this is one of the "trends" but i think it's safe to say no WA for games played in Houston. he has only had them once in his career, and that was this year TNF ---HOU@PHL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 21:42:04 GMT -5
Anderson lives in Sugarland, outside of Houston, and has specifically asked not to be assigned to Texans regular season home games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2010 7:06:34 GMT -5
I have done hand scheduling and computer scheduling for most of my adult life - for the crew scheduling for 2010 - I give the supervisory staff an F.
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