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Post by nyasablue on Jul 1, 2011 22:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by ak482 on Jul 1, 2011 23:18:49 GMT -5
Busy night, heck busy 8th inning at Tropicana Field. First, Rays manager Joe Maddon gets another heave-ho, this time for arguing balls and strikes from the dugout. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16490591Then a 3-for-1 special: Rays P J.P. Howell gets the gate after arguing a balk call which leads to a home run, and teammates David Price and Elliot Johnson grab early showers from the dugout also. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16492409If you're scoring at home, HP Ump Vic Carapazza ran Maddon & Howell, 2B Ump Dana DeMuth ran Price & Johnson. Howell with one of the more childish displays I've seen by a Major Leaguer, expect a fine for him.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jul 1, 2011 23:21:13 GMT -5
Inconclusive on the replay. Good hustle by Layne on the rotation. HP umpires don't just set up camp behind the dish!
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Post by FredFan7 on Jul 1, 2011 23:27:33 GMT -5
Busy night, heck busy 8th inning at Tropicana Field. First, Rays manager Joe Maddon gets another heave-ho, this time for arguing balls and strikes from the dugout. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16490591Then a 3-for-1 special: Rays P J.P. Howell gets the gate after arguing a balk call which leads to a home run, and teammates David Price and Elliot Johnson grab early showers from the dugout also. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16492409If you're scoring at home, HP Ump Vic Carapazza ran Maddon & Howell, 2B Ump Dana DeMuth ran Price & Johnson. Howell with one of the more childish displays I've seen by a Major Leaguer, expect a fine for him. Looks like Carapazza missed the pitch that got Maddon the hook. Carapazza was totally in the right to toss Howell. Good job by Dana Demuth to toss some of the loud mouths in the peanut gallery. EDIT: Well the umpire ejections blog shows the pitch tracking (I don't know if this is what the umps are judged on or not), but according to the pitch track the pitches in question were all called right.
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Post by zcr57 on Jul 2, 2011 0:17:16 GMT -5
Inconclusive on the replay. Good hustle by Layne on the rotation. HP umpires don't just set up camp behind the dish! Layne wasn't in the best position to make that call but it's hard to fault him. He's a pretty big man and having all of the protective gear on his body didn't make it any easier for him to get up the line.
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Post by cj on Jul 2, 2011 3:44:56 GMT -5
If the crew mechanics are correct. the third base umpire goes out on a fly to center, Layne was late getting to third, period. He was clearly boxed out by the Yankee third baseman and in no position to make a correct call. Won't give him any slack; he was late period (the firsdt base umpire, as soon as the Yankee shortstop dropped the ball should be headed to home, he has plenty of time to get there. I would rate the mechanics on the play an F and the replay on the Yankee telecast is even mre conclusive that the Yankee third baseman tagged nobody.
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Post by mike on Jul 2, 2011 5:58:27 GMT -5
watched both the Yankees and Mets feed in high def and it was very clear that A-Rod got nothing but air. Jerry Layne got himself caught out of position by standing behind A-Rod. Although the ball got there in time it was too much to the home plate side of 3B and Reyes slid for the OF side of the bag that the tag did not get there in time. With the ball coming in the way it was Layne needed to be on the other side of the play. That still does not excuse the fact that he missed the call plain and simple
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Post by nyasablue on Jul 2, 2011 9:28:02 GMT -5
Lets give Layne a break - remember that Reyes had STOPPED at 2B, and then continued on to 3B only after the SS bobbled the ball. I can guarantee that Layne probably had been going up to 3B, and at the least PAUSED when Reyes stopped, and then had to restart himself when Reyes went on to 3rd.
Anybody who has ever umpired, be it baseball or softball, has had that happen to him, right Fred?
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Post by nyasablue on Jul 2, 2011 9:34:40 GMT -5
Busy night, heck busy 8th inning at Tropicana Field. First, Rays manager Joe Maddon gets another heave-ho, this time for arguing balls and strikes from the dugout. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16490591Then a 3-for-1 special: Rays P J.P. Howell gets the gate after arguing a balk call which leads to a home run, and teammates David Price and Elliot Johnson grab early showers from the dugout also. mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16492409If you're scoring at home, HP Ump Vic Carapazza ran Maddon & Howell, 2B Ump Dana DeMuth ran Price & Johnson. Howell with one of the more childish displays I've seen by a Major Leaguer, expect a fine for him. I just love the look on Carapazza's face, when he he is looking at Howell, and just WAITING for all the runners to cross HP, so he can toss him BIG time. Also, of course, the talking heads: "He wasn't throwing the ball at Carrapazza at ALL" Also, do we know now what happened to the House of David team? apparently one of them ended up in Tampa....
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Post by cj on Jul 2, 2011 9:42:57 GMT -5
Lets give Layne a break - remember that Reyes had STOPPED at 2B, and then continued on to 3B only after the SS bobbled the ball. I can guarantee that Layne probably had been going up to 3B, and at the least PAUSED when Reyes stopped, and then had to restart himself when Reyes went on to 3rd. Anybody who has ever umpired, be it baseball or softball, has had that happen to him, right Fred? Sorry..I respectfully disagree....the third base ump goes to the outfi9eld and at that point, Layne has to be heading to third and be at or near third base until the play is over. Mechanics were correct, his execution was poor. At least in my opinion. It's really no different than a batter hitting a pop up around hnome plate, figuring the ball will either be caught or go foul stopping and lo and behold the ball drops fair and he is thrown out at first. We castigate plays like that for non hustle and oftentimes players are fined, not for popping out but for not hustling. Same is true for umpires. Would not give him any slack in the slightest. He fouled up. Period.
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Post by nyasablue on Jul 2, 2011 16:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by nyasablue on Jul 2, 2011 16:56:20 GMT -5
ALMOST forgot - last night, on the YES broadcast of the Yankee/Met game, they were showing the umpiring crew, and when the camera gets on Davidson, Michael Kay goes, "Bob Davidson at 2nd Base - he is known for calling balks!" ;D
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Post by zcr57 on Jul 2, 2011 16:57:38 GMT -5
It looks like Marquez got the call at home right. In the presser, Farrell made it sound like he was more upset about the close pitches than the play at the plate. I'm anxious to see if anything happens to Rauch after that meltdown...
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Post by JugglingReferee on Jul 2, 2011 20:39:39 GMT -5
I'd be happy to see Rauch fined for his behavoir. He was so way out of line.
The Jays were likely frustrated from yesterday's 7-6 loss to the Phillies.
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Post by FredFan7 on Jul 2, 2011 21:27:27 GMT -5
Lets give Layne a break - remember that Reyes had STOPPED at 2B, and then continued on to 3B only after the SS bobbled the ball. I can guarantee that Layne probably had been going up to 3B, and at the least PAUSED when Reyes stopped, and then had to restart himself when Reyes went on to 3rd. Anybody who has ever umpired, be it baseball or softball, has had that happen to him, right Fred? An umpire is in the most danger of missing a play, or getting caught out of position when there's an error or something throws off a play's regular rhythm. I think you surmised what happened to Layne perfectly. Breakdown in mechanics causing Layne to not be in optimum position, yes. A sign of incompetency, no.
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