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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 4, 2012 7:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by howard63 on Aug 4, 2012 10:37:49 GMT -5
This protest shouldn't get very far. It's my understanding that that particular call is seldom made unless the throw hits the runner, which was not the case here.
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Post by cj on Aug 4, 2012 13:52:32 GMT -5
This protest shouldn't get very far. It's my understanding that that particular call is seldom made unless the throw hits the runner, which was not the case here. Agreed....it is a pure judgment call if the runner being inside the 45 foot box interferes with the ability to make a throw. It is usually not called unless the throw hits the runner (see the Mets-Giants game in the top of the 8th inning on Wednesday night).
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Post by JugglingReferee on Aug 4, 2012 14:39:19 GMT -5
If you pause the video at the instant that you can see BR heading to first, you can see his right leg on the grass. His subsequent steps do have him touching the dirt instead of the grass with his right foot, but just barely.
He is fully back on the dirt (just barely) when he is only 2 steps from the end of the grass.
Do I think he ran inside to affect the angle of a possible throw? Of course I do.
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Post by cball1985 on Aug 4, 2012 21:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 4, 2012 21:59:00 GMT -5
Gorman is pretty mild mannered. That's about as whipped up as I've seen him. He wasn't putting up with any of Hurdle's arguments.
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Post by cj on Aug 5, 2012 6:59:52 GMT -5
If you pause the video at the instant that you can see BR heading to first, you can see his right leg on the grass. His subsequent steps do have him touching the dirt instead of the grass with his right foot, but just barely. He is fully back on the dirt (just barely) when he is only 2 steps from the end of the grass. Do I think he ran inside to affect the angle of a possible throw? Of course I do. And that's one of the problems with the rule because at some point, the runner has to go back inside the fair line (of course it's the fair line, if a ball hits the line it's a fair ball) to touch the base. As with so many other calls requiring judgment, common sense also has to play a part. Not to be critical but it's far easier for the umpire to make the call if the ball hits the runner outside the box between the fair line and the 3 foot line although nowhere in the rule does it state the runner has to be hit.
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 5, 2012 18:58:52 GMT -5
Sam Holbrook ejects Gerald Laird after being called out at first.
The Tigers bench keeps up the argument. Joe West tells the bench to settle down. Jim Leyland takes exception and is ejected.
The report is from close call sports. No video yet, but it sounds like a loud afternoon in Detroit.
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 5, 2012 22:04:42 GMT -5
Sam Holbrook ejects Gerald Laird after being called out at first. The Tigers bench keeps up the argument. Joe West tells the bench to settle down. Jim Leyland takes exception and is ejected. The report is from close call sports. No video yet, but it sounds like a loud afternoon in Detroit. Video: mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23642939
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Post by FredFan7 on Aug 7, 2012 7:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Aug 7, 2012 8:29:10 GMT -5
Interesting play...this link is to the Rockie telecast. I just looked at it on the Dodgers telecast. It looks like it did hit the glove first and bounced up in the glove. It looks like a catch.
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Post by JugglingReferee on Aug 7, 2012 9:25:55 GMT -5
I don't believe this is a catch. Look at the video from 2:44 to 2:45.
The ball bounces up into the glove off the ground.
I think Mattingly is right.
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Post by cj on Aug 7, 2012 12:15:39 GMT -5
I don't believe this is a catch. Look at the video from 2:44 to 2:45. The ball bounces up into the glove off the ground. I think Mattingly is right. As I said, the Dodger telecast (available if you have the mlb.tv package) has a completely different angle....it bounced up in his glove...it hit sort of on the side of the glove and bounced up into the webbing of the glove....the Rockie telecast is more or less inconclusive...you could see the ball bounce but it's unclear there if it bounces off the glove or the ground...the Dodger telecast (and even Vin Scully agreed) is more definitie that indeed it was a catch; but nobody could be blamed really it was so close.
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Post by nyasablue on Aug 7, 2012 12:50:10 GMT -5
I don't believe this is a catch. Look at the video from 2:44 to 2:45. The ball bounces up into the glove off the ground. I think Mattingly is right. As I said, the Dodger telecast (available if you have the mlb.tv package) has a completely different angle....it bounced up in his glove...it hit sort of on the side of the glove and bounced up into the webbing of the glove....the Rockie telecast is more or less inconclusive...you could see the ball bounce but it's unclear there if it bounces off the glove or the ground...the Dodger telecast (and even Vin Scully agreed) is more definitie that indeed it was a catch; but nobody could be blamed really it was so close. That is an odd thing to say, considering at 5:10-5:15 of the Rockies feed, which is the one MLB posted on its site, it CLEARLY shows the ball BARELY bouncing off the grass into the fielders glove. The crew absolutely nailed that call, and did the right way. tinyurl.com/cnbzvsm
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Post by russ on Aug 8, 2012 14:12:05 GMT -5
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